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Old 02-18-2020, 08:46 PM
 
Location: Metro Detroit Michigan
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I don't understand what point you're trying to make. This is how modern companies operate. It's the Amazon model. The only difference is Tesla does it publicly rather than internally.
Tesla has taken allot of cyber truck pre orders and they don’t know how to even produce them in the quantities needed to fulfill the pre orders.
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Old 02-18-2020, 09:06 PM
 
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Most people don't consider supply chain and manufacturing to be tech. Why are you lumping them together?

Tech companies can and do have supply chains and manufacturer items, have no idea where you get they do not. How the hell you think an iPhone is made? Magic?
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Old 02-18-2020, 09:17 PM
 
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Tech companies can and do have supply chains and manufacturer items, have no idea where you get they do not. How the hell you think an iPhone is made? Magic?
Surely tech companies have tech... no one is questioning that. But your previous post refers to Tesla exceeding vehicle manufacturers in manufacturing vehicles and attribute that to Tesla being a tech company. It's not clear how you are equating being a tech company to being a better manufacturer of cars...
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Old 02-18-2020, 09:24 PM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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Companies do Reverse Engineering and do copy others. That is how Japanese manufacturing took over in may areas such as automobiles but let us not forget the Japanese generally not only copied something, they improved it. If not for the Japanese coming into the American automotive market, the US automobile companies would still be selling us planned obsolescence, crab vehicles.

I know of one example. In the 1980's 3 out of 4 engineers at Xerox were mechanical engineers. 3 of 4 engineers at companies like Konica, Minolta were electrical engineers. Xerox was hung up on moving the paper and as a result, lost their market.
Sorry that is nonsense. Mechanical engineers were present in smaller numbers than EEs and Physicists. And the development process was dominated by the non mechanical. At one point Xerox was the best designer of microprocessors going. Xerox had much better devices than the initial versions of Intel and elsewhere. In fact at one time Fairchild wanted to market one of the initial Xerox chips. Did not work out over the software. Xerox would not agree to maintain a commercial software platform.

How do I know? I ran the Electronic operations of both Rochester and El Segundo at various times. And guess which company owns the patent for using a microprocessor to control a copier or a printer.

And virtually all the paper paths were electronically controlled. The last of the fancy gear boxes were in the 60s and early 70s. After that it was all motors and digital sensors.
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Old 02-18-2020, 09:28 PM
 
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Surely tech companies have tech... no one is questioning that. But your previous post refers to Tesla exceeding vehicle manufacturers in manufacturing vehicles and attribute that to Tesla being a tech company. It's not clear how you are equating being a tech company to being a better manufacturer of cars...


I do not recall saying anything about Tesla and its manufacturing abilities. I stated;

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Well, as investors think among with others, Tesla is tech company that builds cars, lol. I know it is almost semantics, but there is a bit of real difference, which investors over the years have pounced on, and forgiven in this regards. So it would be expected Tesla would exceed automotive manufacturers in this area. It would actually be rather disappointing and troubling if they did not.
Exceeding meaning what the OP was about, the electronic tech, not exceeding in numbers of cars made or a better car maker.
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Old 02-18-2020, 09:32 PM
 
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I do not recall saying anything about Tesla and its manufacturing abilities. I stated;



Exceeding meaning what the OP was about, the electronic tech, not exceeding in numbers of cars made or a better car maker.

Did you even read the article? The OP was about the supply chain and manufacturing of cars. Tesla is 6 years ahead in manufacturing of cars (according to the article). The article even said that Toyota and alike can replicate the tech. It's the manufacturing they are worried about.
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Old 02-18-2020, 10:07 PM
 
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Did you even read the article? The OP was about the supply chain and manufacturing of cars. Tesla is 6 years ahead in manufacturing of cars (according to the article). The article even said that Toyota and alike can replicate the tech. It's the manufacturing they are worried about.
Uh yes, read the article, not sure what your point is...

The potential manufacturing/supply chain shakeup is due to the tech that is in the car.

"The real reason for holding off? Automakers worry that computers like Tesla's will render obsolete the parts supply chains they have cultivated over decades, the engineer said."

That computer is part of the car. Supply chain solutions is an integral part of any product development, Apple sure as hell takes its supply chain in consideration for its iPhone. They can replicate as the OP stated by 2025, the article stated;

"Industry insiders expect such technology to take hold around 2025 at the earliest."

As a tech company, I expect Tesla to be ahead in this area.
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Old 02-18-2020, 10:12 PM
 
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Uh yes, read the article, not sure what your point is...

The potential manufacturing/supply chain shakeup is due to the tech that is in the car.

"The real reason for holding off? Automakers worry that computers like Tesla's will render obsolete the parts supply chains they have cultivated over decades, the engineer said."

That computer is part of the car. Supply chain solutions is an integral part of any product development, Apple sure as hell takes its supply chain in consideration for its iPhone. They can replicate as the OP stated by 2025, the article stated;

"Industry insiders expect such technology to take hold around 2025 at the earliest."

As a tech company, I expect Tesla to be ahead in this area.
You left out the critical part that explains it better:

"There should be nothing stopping Toyota or VW from doing the same much earlier than 2025, considering their immense financial resources and vast talent pools. But technological hurdles are not the reason for the delay, according to the Japanese engineer who said "we cannot do it."

The real reason for holding off? Automakers worry that computers like Tesla's will render obsolete the parts supply chains they have cultivated over decades, the engineer said."


So, yes, it's not the technology that is the problem for auto manufacturers. It's replacing the existing supply chain and manufacturing model. That's the expensive part that will take 6 years (per the article -- which you should read -- or at least try to comprehend).

You still make no sense when you say that as a tech company you expect Tesla to be better in setting up a supply chain and manufacturing.
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Old 02-18-2020, 10:15 PM
 
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Uh yes, read the article, not sure what your point is...

The potential manufacturing/supply chain shakeup is due to the tech that is in the car.

"The real reason for holding off? Automakers worry that computers like Tesla's will render obsolete the parts supply chains they have cultivated over decades, the engineer said."

That computer is part of the car. Supply chain solutions is an integral part of any product development, Apple sure as hell takes its supply chain in consideration for its iPhone. They can replicate as the OP stated by 2025, the article stated;

"Industry insiders expect such technology to take hold around 2025 at the earliest."

As a tech company, I expect Tesla to be ahead in this area.
You're not understanding the article at all.
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Old 02-18-2020, 10:16 PM
 
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You left out the critical part that explains it better:

"There should be nothing stopping Toyota or VW from doing the same much earlier than 2025, considering their immense financial resources and vast talent pools. But technological hurdles are not the reason for the delay, according to the Japanese engineer who said "we cannot do it."

The real reason for holding off? Automakers worry that computers like Tesla's will render obsolete the parts supply chains they have cultivated over decades, the engineer said."


So, yes, it's not the technology that is the problem for auto manufacturers. It's replacing the existing supply chain and manufacturing model. That's the expensive part that will take 6 years (per the article -- which you should read -- or at least try to comprehend).

You still make no sense when you say that as a tech company you expect Tesla to be better in setting up a supply chain and manufacturing.
She's not comprehending what is being said.
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