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I am not surprised on the drop for Honda and Toyota. They are either having more problems with their newer cars, or the others are getting pretty good. Either way, it is more worth it now to cross shop the brands as I find Honda and Toyota base trims pretty stripped down.
I am not surprised on the drop for Honda and Toyota. They are either having more problems with their newer cars, or the others are getting pretty good.
The declines of Honda and Toyota reliability are coming from 2016 Honda Civic, 2017 Honda CR-V, 2018 Honda Accord, 2018 Honda Odyssey, 2018 Toyota Camry, and 2019 Toyota RAV4, where they were redesigned extensively with new engines in order to improve MPG in big numbers. Unfortunately, More MPG = Less Durable, that I mentioned several times already, and this is becoming more reality in most newer vehicles now when they are becoming more disposable and unrepairable.
2020 Ford Fusion S (base-trim only) is now rated more-reliable than Toyota Camry and Honda Accord by Consumer Reports, after a nice 12 year hiatus (since 2008) of possible return again.
I do not have the years of professional analytical study experience that you have, but I have had Subarus that CR rated high and I concur. I have had three generations of Hondas that they rated highly and I also concur. I've had a Chrysler Town and Country that I thought was a POS and CR concurred in print. They have rung many of my bells regarding vehicles. I found them lacking occasionally in other consumer products, so I always read but verify though many other sources. I find that verifying information is very easy nowadays with universal internet access, but also promotes paralysis by analysis in some instances. At that point, I say screw it and purchase what appeals to me esthetically, financially and at times, mechanically.
Thanks for sharing.
Actually you don't concur with their findings on Honda, 17th in this CR list and Acura is 24. They have been extremely reliable for me, which immediately has to make you wonder about these new CR rankings, especially with several German cars in the top 10. Or as another poster noted, maybe the range of variance in quality is decreasing so that these rankings become less useful. In other words, this ranking is not as important as it once was in the deciding fator on choosing a car, as all the OEMs have improved?
Actually you don't concur with their findings on Honda, 17th in this CR list and Acura is 24. They have been extremely reliable for me, which immediately has to make you wonder about these new CR rankings, especially with several German cars in the top 10. Or as another poster noted, maybe the range of variance in quality is decreasing so that these rankings become less useful. In other words, this ranking is not as important as it once was in the deciding fator on choosing a car, as all the OEMs have improved?
I should been a bit clearer, my Hondas were all 80's 90's and an early 2000, back then CR concurred with my findings. Haven't owned one since then, sorry.
Actually you don't concur with their findings on Honda, 17th in this CR list and Acura is 24. They have been extremely reliable for me, which immediately has to make you wonder about these new CR rankings, especially with several German cars in the top 10. Or as another poster noted, maybe the range of variance in quality is decreasing so that these rankings become less useful. In other words, this ranking is not as important as it once was in the deciding fator on choosing a car, as all the OEMs have improved?
On just about every quality study I've ever done, the "luxury" car - in reality - has more TGW's or things that need to be repaired than the non-luxury equivalent. The luxury cars just have more widgets on them so there are more potential things to break. Honda should be ranked above Acura, Chevy should be ahead of Cadillac, etc.
But often times data gets skewed because of their small sample sizes not to mention the confirmation bias on many of these surveys.
You forgot to say what CR was ranking for the brands. Whether it's performance, speed from a dead stop, reliability, car repairs in the 1st year, customer satisfaction, or what.
I doubt Porsche was #1 in reliability, for instance. In fact, I know it wasn't.
So I'm guess some sort of performance? Or customer satisfaction?
You forgot to say what CR was ranking for the brands. Whether it's performance, speed from a dead stop, reliability, car repairs in the 1st year, customer satisfaction, or what.
I doubt Porsche was #1 in reliability, for instance. In fact, I know it wasn't.
So I'm guess some sort of performance? Or customer satisfaction?
I found the article in USA Today. Here are some details:
It's CR's top picks of "best vehicles you can buy" in 2020, in each of four price ranges:
Under $25,000 - Toyota Corolla.
$25,000-$35,000 - Subaru Forester, Subaru Legacy, Toyota Prius.
$35,000-$45,000 - Kia Telluride, Honda Ridgeline, Toyota Avalon
$45,000-$55,000 - Lexus RX, Tesla Model 3, Toyota Supra
Toyota fared very well, with five total spots across the price ranges (incl its luxury brand, Lexus). Subaru, owned by Fuji like Toyota is, snagged two vehicle spots in "best you can buy" lists.
I'm not sure I understand the "brand report" list as relates to these in the "best you can buy" lists for the different price ranges. Except...the price range lists of "best you can buy" are specific models, while the general brand reports card list is just the manufacturer & includes all models, the good and the not so good ones?
Subaru was never downgraded for having millions of cars sold with defective engines - out of 6 vehicles in our family (many model years), 4 of them needed the new head gaskets early in the game...and one of them needed it twice before 100K miles. They sent out "stop leak" to put in the radiator as one fix. They kept claiming it was fixed and yet it kept happening in newer model years.
Never again will I buy one of their cars. Realistically, they were largely junk anyway....and I got my first Subie in 1985. At least back then we knew we bought it because it was cheap.
Porsche #1? I think consumer perception and "investment" in the vehicles has something to do with this. My buddy who had one finally got frustrated and went to Lexus.
consumer reports huh? were you done reading the onion?
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