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GM has had EVs since the 80s. It doesn't matter what's in their pipelines. It's all about execution. If people didn't buy the Volt, Bolt, what makes you think they will buy the next EV from GM?
GM has had EVs since the 80s. It doesn't matter what's in their pipelines. It's all about execution. If people didn't buy the Volt, Bolt, what makes you think they will buy the next EV from GM?
In my opinion those (Bolt/Volt) weren't bad cars. They weren't the best looking though, and style matters. The next generation they produce could be more visually appealing. From the info provided, it sounds like they'll have significantly more range and they'll be able to offer them closer to the price of comparable ICE vehicles - both significant factors for buyers. The proof will be in the pudding of course, but I don't think GM is doomed in the EV space just because their first products were more of a base hit than a home run.
"The automaker has said it plans to release 20 electric nameplates by 2023 and will publicly unveil three of those vehicles in the months to come: the Cadillac “Lyriq” EV crossover in April and two electric versions of GMC’s Hummer in May. This will be followed “soon after” by the Cruise Origin, a shared, electric, self-driving vehicle developed by Cruise (a majority owned subsidiary of GM) and Honda."
Yeah in 3 more years lol
Not "in" 3 more years. BY 3 more years they will be on the road. They are also introducing a new Bolt and a Bolt EUV crossover at the end of this year.
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Originally Posted by vision33r
GM has had EVs since the 80s. It doesn't matter what's in their pipelines. It's all about execution. If people didn't buy the Volt, Bolt, what makes you think they will buy the next EV from GM?
They sold all they made. And they didn't advertise at all. I have one of each.
In my opinion those (Bolt/Volt) weren't bad cars. They weren't the best looking though, and style matters. The next generation they produce could be more visually appealing. From the info provided, it sounds like they'll have significantly more range and they'll be able to offer them closer to the price of comparable ICE vehicles - both significant factors for buyers. The proof will be in the pudding of course, but I don't think GM is doomed in the EV space just because their first products were more of a base hit than a home run.
I bought my 2020 Bolt for $25k, and it has a 259 mile nominal range (many people are getting much more than that). That's in the ballpark already (people don't realize just how far 200+ miles really is). I think it looks no worse than any other hatchback, from the GTI to the Focus ST, and the Bolt has the power to compete with those in acceleration and with a tire swap will match them in handling.
The main problem with them is lack of advertising and lack of promotion from most of the dealer base. Some dealers sell the crap out of them and really point the way to what COULD have been had every dealer been on board with them. That's going to e GM's biggest problem as EVs won't fill up dealer service bays on a regular after the sale, and dealers don't know how to deal with that. I know Bolt owners that have scheduled routine maintenance for their cars and had oil changes put on the schedule by the dealers.
I bought my 2020 Bolt for $25k, and it has a 259 mile nominal range (many people are getting much more than that). That's in the ballpark already (people don't realize just how far 200+ miles really is). I think it looks no worse than any other hatchback, from the GTI to the Focus ST, and the Bolt has the power to compete with those in acceleration and with a tire swap will match them in handling.
The main problem with them is lack of advertising and lack of promotion from most of the dealer base. Some dealers sell the crap out of them and really point the way to what COULD have been had every dealer been on board with them. That's going to e GM's biggest problem as EVs won't fill up dealer service bays on a regular after the sale, and dealers don't know how to deal with that. I know Bolt owners that have scheduled routine maintenance for their cars and had oil changes put on the schedule by the dealers.
Yep, I know you're an owner, FWIW I did start a thread recently on what I believed were the merits of the Bolt, especially at the steep discounts they have been offering. While 259 miles is respectable, I do think that the cars will prove more appealing to more buyers if they can offer a range of 350 miles.
I also give the Volt props for being one of the very few plug-in hybrids with enough electric range to be credible as a car that's usable by many people as an EV for local driving and commuting and as a hybrid for longer trips - I think ALL plug-in hybrids should have an electric-only range of 40-80 miles, rather than the measly 20-ish miles that is typical.
Styling is subjective of course, but sorry, I just don't go for it on these cars ;-)
I have also heard that many dealers don't have their heart in EV sales, because they won't get a lot of post-sales service work to fill their mechanics' bays. The customers' gain is the dealers' loss. GM corporate needs to figure out some way to reduce this behavior - they're spending a ton of money on EV development and they can't afford to have the (independent) sales force soft-peddling these new products.
Last edited by OutdoorLover; 03-05-2020 at 07:42 AM..
Good for them. I think GM is pretty well equipped to do this since they produced the Chevy Bolt and the owners of the Bolt that I've talked to seem very happy with their cards.
There's also a sentimental reason I want GM to succeed, since they were the ones who produced the EV1 over two decades ago.
Of course GM wants to also benefit from our tax supported incentives for people to purchase electric vehicle.
The Tesla valuation it is insane and with backbone, a bubble waiting to burst.
It is a matter of time before the automotive industry comes back for more support from our tax money.
Poor GM. Never received any support from the government. No gas subsidies for trucks /SUVs, no tax credits for moving jobs, no bailouts. Poor GM.
I bought my 2020 Bolt for $25k, and it has a 259 mile nominal range (many people are getting much more than that). That's in the ballpark already (people don't realize just how far 200+ miles really is). I think it looks no worse than any other hatchback, from the GTI to the Focus ST, and the Bolt has the power to compete with those in acceleration and with a tire swap will match them in handling.
The main problem with them is lack of advertising and lack of promotion from most of the dealer base. Some dealers sell the crap out of them and really point the way to what COULD have been had every dealer been on board with them. That's going to e GM's biggest problem as EVs won't fill up dealer service bays on a regular after the sale, and dealers don't know how to deal with that. I know Bolt owners that have scheduled routine maintenance for their cars and had oil changes put on the schedule by the dealers.
That’s the problem. GM can’t make money at $25K. Tesla likely isn’t making money at $35k, but sells enough $60k model 3s to cover.
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