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Old 03-21-2020, 05:54 PM
 
Location: Morrison, CO
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I be curious whether EVs or plug in Hybrids would become more popular now people learn that how filthy gas nozzles are?
Which would also raise resale values of them as well just like how the Prius became more expensive than new ones when gas reached $5 and carpool stickers ran out back in 2008 at least in CA. Plug ins hybrids also offers an alternative in the event of either power shortage or fuel shortage which is not uncommon during mass scale disasters.

But plugs are all sterile, right?
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Old 03-21-2020, 07:34 PM
 
Location: In the heights
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But plugs are all sterile, right?
Well, they're about as sterile as the owner and their household is if you're talking about someone who charges at home.
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Old 03-21-2020, 08:47 PM
 
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But plugs are all sterile, right?

Depends on whether you wash them after each use.
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Old 03-22-2020, 06:46 AM
 
Location: Morrison, CO
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Well, they're about as sterile as the owner and their household is if you're talking about someone who charges at home.

But wait. What about all those quick charging stations all over, that only take a half hour to charge to 50%? Wouldn't they be similar to a gas pump? Also, as you are waiting in line to get to a charger, won't that possibly expose you to other people, and their pathogens?
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Old 03-22-2020, 07:03 AM
 
Location: In the heights
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But wait. What about all those quick charging stations all over, that only take a half hour to charge to 50%? Wouldn't they be similar to a gas pump? Also, as you are waiting in line to get to a charger, won't that possibly expose you to other people, and their pathogens?
Yes, those could be about as bad as a gas pump. The difference on fast charging is that the throughput for each one is lower than at a gas pump.

However, the much larger point is that the vast majority of EV charging is done at home. If you do not have a dedicated home parking space, this is not of particular help to you. However, there is a fairly large proportion of people in the United States who do have a dedicated home parking space.

Do you still have some confusion over this? It seems like these factors have been mentioned to you repeatedly, but the confusion keeps clouding things for you. Are you feeling okay?
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Old 03-22-2020, 11:08 AM
 
Location: 0.83 Atmospheres
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But plugs are all sterile, right?
I charge in my garage.
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Old 03-23-2020, 10:10 AM
 
Location: FL
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What we are not doing is talking about the elephant in the room. Although EVs and hybrids are cheaper to run (after purchase price difference is accounted for), there is the cost of road maintenance and infrastructure that has not been included or even discussed. Right now our roads are paid for with gas taxes. We all know that when EVs and hybrids reach a critical mass, a system of taxes must be levied so that those owners also pay for the cost of our roads. Right now, early adopters in some states are able to get away with not paying for this. On top of that, the government was also subsidizing the purchase price of some of the cars. None of this is sustainable.
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Old 03-23-2020, 11:39 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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Right now our roads are paid for with gas taxes.



They are SUPPOSED to be, but government tends to siphon off those funds for other things. That's why the roads are in such terrible shape in so many places.


Also using that logic, we should be asking people to drive the least efficient cars and SUVs possible so we can raise more money for the roads, right?
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Old 03-23-2020, 12:19 PM
 
Location: In the heights
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What we are not doing is talking about the elephant in the room. Although EVs and hybrids are cheaper to run (after purchase price difference is accounted for), there is the cost of road maintenance and infrastructure that has not been included or even discussed. Right now our roads are paid for with gas taxes. We all know that when EVs and hybrids reach a critical mass, a system of taxes must be levied so that those owners also pay for the cost of our roads. Right now, early adopters in some states are able to get away with not paying for this. On top of that, the government was also subsidizing the purchase price of some of the cars. None of this is sustainable.
Yea, I think that something based on the odometer seems reasonable and with maybe something with weight classes factored in. Another is to toll certain points (it'll be hard and maybe inefficient to toll all roads).

I think gas taxes should be thought of as more of a tax to offset other issues that it causes rather than for road repair and infrastructure and the above should be applied to all vehicles specifically for road repair.
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Old 03-23-2020, 02:53 PM
 
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Yea, I think that something based on the odometer seems reasonable and with maybe something with weight classes factored in. Another is to toll certain points (it'll be hard and maybe inefficient to toll all roads).

I think gas taxes should be thought of as more of a tax to offset other issues that it causes rather than for road repair and infrastructure and the above should be applied to all vehicles specifically for road repair.
I agree with this. Gas tax should be limited to infrastructure around gas and pollution related to gas (which essentially means that gas tax should be lowered since it wouldn't be used to cover roads anymore).

Another tax should be collected for how many miles you drive and the weight of your car that can be used to to cover roads.
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