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Old 09-15-2023, 04:33 PM
 
Location: Newburyport, MA
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Ram 1500 vs Ford F-150, vs Toyota Tundra vs Chevy Silverado 1500 - Orientation to model lines from Andre from TFL Truck - at the Detroit Auto Show


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Old 09-18-2023, 08:26 AM
 
Location: Western PA
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ahh the annual 'spend too much on a truck' guide!


I have been quite proud that I was truckless for the last 8ish years save the show truck suburban....then an uncle died and I have his 10 year old GMC work truck....so now I have an old man truck...now I REALLY wont be buying for at least a decade.
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Old 09-18-2023, 10:16 PM
 
Location: We_tside PNW (Columbia Gorge) / CO / SA TX / Thailand
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ahh the annual 'spend too much on a truck' guide!

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Or... a 'pretend-truck'
F150 versions (1/4 to half ton) are 'casual trucks' built off light chassis and components. Fine for some tasks, but typically not robust work trucks.

Pretty popular for Texas wives / soccer moms. Grocery grabber & a few sacks of chicken scratch. Ok for lighter RV towing, but missing floating axles and suspension bigger brakes, drivetrain of a FS HD work Pick-up. Off-road farm and ranch heavy service separates the men from the boys, but if you can get by lighter duty, it will save you a bundle on vehicle costs and maintenance.
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Old 09-19-2023, 05:33 AM
 
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Or... a 'pretend-truck'...(1/4 to half ton)...
I don't recall any pretending going on with any of my 1/2-ton trucks over the years. A 2024 1/2-ton is what it is, just like it has always been since they started calling them 1/2-ton trucks. If anything, they are more capable than they were 50 years ago. None of them are 1/4-ton.

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Old 09-19-2023, 08:58 AM
 
Location: Western PA
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I don't recall any pretending going on with any of my 1/2-ton trucks over the years. A 2024 1/2-ton is what it is, just like it has always been since they started calling them 1/2-ton trucks. If anything, they are more capable than they were 50 years ago. None of them are 1/4-ton.

I have been upgrading trucks in the shop all my life...my lightest duty full size was the 81 F100 I body-off restored. GVWR was 4700lbs on a 2wd truck that tipped at 3700lbs. add fuel and a driver and you are just about right on a 1/4 ton payload. Of course as part of the restore I changed the springs and used the 5450GVW springs from an 89 F150 2wd and the 3.L55 axle making it a cool half ton retro.


I think a lot of the complaint is, todays no bed, crew cab halfs whittle away the payload for seats and power this and that, and with the 'I want it to ride like a deville' springing, are pretty much worthless when you drop 1000lbs of pre-WD tongue weight on them. I was looking at ways to make my sierra 1500 be able to pull 'betty' (7600lbs on the hoof) and even with the cap its doable within the axle load rating BUT the overall damper will be the 3.42 axle behind the 4L60E - GM learnt that is the weak link over 6000lbs. I can find a 3.73 gearset but with what time do I have when I have a true 1 ton square suburban sitting next to it.


anyway you slice it you have to bolt stuff on - which is hard cuz not only does no one know how to do it, there are very few shops you can pay to do it that dont end up looking like a monkey having relations with a football.....


all in the while spending well north of 50K. for a stripper. I see dealers with straight faces asking north of 70K for a 1500 series.



Most capable trucks lb for lb ever built were the OBS fords and for 50K you can buy 2 of them in mint shape and restore them to taste....


all we have gained with the modern trucks is HP and bluetooth. my sierra weighs a bit more than my 90 F150, has about the same payloadish, has over 100more stock HP, yet tows about 1500lb less. ouch.
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Old 09-19-2023, 09:51 AM
 
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1/2-ton trucks don't support 1000-pound tongue weights. That's not what the 1/2-ton category means.

Admittedly, all my trucks have been regular cab. Of course crew cabs weigh much more. My 2021 Ram 1500 has more payload and towing ability than my 89 F-150, 94 F-150 and 98 Dodge 1500 did. The current transmission is night-and-day superior over the 98 Dodge. Paid $29k new out-the-door with tax and tag during Covid.

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Old 09-19-2023, 10:01 AM
 
Location: Western PA
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1/2-ton trucks don't support 1000-pound tongue weights. That's not what the 1/2-ton category means.

The bolded above is pretty much worthless as a gauge. my OBS had a 6250GVWR UNLESS you added the contact overloads (ford option) to push rear payload to match the 3800lb 8.8 max. the truck tipped at 4260. That means 2000ish lbs or a 1 ton by exact reasoning. the find print however buried in the towing guides is that people, fuel, accessories etc DEDUCTED from this.


so on a modern 'half' a 1000lb PRE (<---read that) PRE w/d hitch load is very doable.


heck, 'betty' only hits its 7600lb GWVR IF and ONLY IF you count on a 1200lb tongue, PRE W/d (ever see the sheer size of 1200lb trunions?) In this case the truck 'sees' appx 600lbs of it. the 1513 lb payload of my sierra COULD work, without overloads, with the cap but it would be close. overloads are a $300bill to hellwig and 2 hours of your life...


The axle loading is where you focus. on my 1 ton sub, I can load it to GVWR and then do a forever wheelie on the rear axle, and I will not overload it. springs, are just something you change.
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Old 09-19-2023, 10:16 AM
 
Location: We_tside PNW (Columbia Gorge) / CO / SA TX / Thailand
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Most capable trucks lb for lb ever built were the OBS fords and for 50K you can buy 2 of them in mint shape and restore them to taste....


...all we have gained with the modern trucks is HP and bluetooth. ...
No BS OBS Show N Swap
I just attended this 'pickup' show last month - This is worth considering)
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for 50K you can buy 2 of them in mint shape and restore them to taste....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WBBSBj7b38

I don't need HP or Bluetooth for my farm trucks. But plenty of torque and tough is important. (No plastics allowed!)

For a worthwhile truck show, I never miss this one.

https://aths.org/convention/ See you in York. 2024

Reno 2023

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCrTqeZ7YLo
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Old 09-19-2023, 10:55 AM
 
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I don't recall any pretending going on with any of my 1/2-ton trucks over the years. A 2024 1/2-ton is what it is, just like it has always been since they started calling them 1/2-ton trucks. If anything, they are more capable than they were 50 years ago. None of them are 1/4-ton.
Exactly. It's just a class of truck like any other. Most people don't have the need for a medium or heavy duty truck unless one is pulling a larger boat, large camper, race car trailer , etc.
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Old 09-19-2023, 06:23 PM
 
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The bolded above is pretty much worthless as a gauge.
In 2024, I don't find the 1/2-ton classification for trucks worthless. When comparing apples to apples, every manufacturer's regular cab 1/2-ton truck's maximum payload exceeds 1000 pounds, just as it should. And every manufacturer's 2024 base model regular cab 1/2-ton truck has less capacity than every manufacturer's 2024 base model regular cab 3/4-ton truck, again just as it should.
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