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Old 01-06-2014, 04:31 AM
 
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So how does the car detect the keyfob if there's no energy source from the fob to emit a signal to the car?
How Transponders work
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Old 01-06-2014, 04:52 AM
 
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Your link does not describe a proximity key.
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Old 01-06-2014, 04:54 AM
 
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Your link does not describe a proximity key.
Then provide one that does if it's bugging you
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Old 01-06-2014, 07:23 AM
 
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Well no kidding the car keeps running. That's fundamental to my gripe. Why would it keep running if you take it out of park with no key in it? This violates a longstanding fundamental relationship between a key and the car: that the key has to be there to operate it.
Safety reason? Who knows. Obviously with computers these days, they could program the engine to turn off if the shifter is moved from Park to Drive without a key present. Pretty easy logic to program...

So there has to be a reason why engineers decided to leave it so that the car could be driven off with the key removed. I know it makes no sense, but my car does display a warning and chime when the key exits the vehicle, so to drive off without a key would need to be deliberate.

So I don't know why the car was designed that way. We could speculate all day.
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Old 01-06-2014, 07:28 AM
 
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Safety reason? Who knows. Obviously with computers these days, they could program the engine to turn off if the shifter is moved from Park to Drive without a key present. Pretty easy logic to program...
It would make far more sense to have the vehicle shut off when the brake is depressed if the key isn't present, then there's no chance of a thief even getting the car into neutral and moving it at all.
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Old 01-06-2014, 07:36 AM
 
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It would make far more sense to have the vehicle shut off when the brake is depressed if the key isn't present, then there's no chance of a thief even getting the car into neutral and moving it at all.
Agreed, but like i said, they chose to keep the engine running for some reason?

But exiting the vehicle with the key and leaving the engine running is no different than leaving the keys in the ignition while you run into a store. A thief can hop into both cars and drive away. In the keyed car, you would turn off the engine and take the keys. With the keyless, you can just hit a button and take it with you as well. So i would say that the chances of having your car stolen all depend on your habits really, and not the actual technology making your car more theft prone.

I know with my car, i can lock my doors with the engine running if i take the key with me. I've done this before. My cars that have keys cannot do this, so if i leave the engine running with the key in the ignition, I must leave the doors unlocked. Of course this is probably vehicle specific.

For the most part, if i exit my vehicle, i turn off the engine and lock the doors...even to get gas.
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Old 01-06-2014, 07:53 AM
 
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First, check the fob for a key. Some models have a key that slides into the fob. It is not really apparent until you look. But it will unlock the doors and trunk.

To start the car, the fob gets it power from the car. Energy is transmitted from the car to power the device, it is similar to the recharging pads used on some cell phones.

One of the advantages of a fob is security. There are only about a thousand key configuration made for physical keys on any one model. A fob can have billions of combination. The chips in some key was the first attempt to get around that limitation.

A second advantage is wear. As car of being driven long, wear on the ignition switch is becoming more common. The ignition switch for hard key is also becoming more complex. By moving to a button you reduce that issue. Should the button fail, it is a simple fix and doesn't require a new key.

The a manufacturing advantages also. All the fob can be made generic and then mated to the car at production. You no longer have to keep a specific key attached to a specific lock.
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Old 01-06-2014, 08:59 AM
 
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Your link does not describe a proximity key.
The only difference between a transponder key and a proximity "key" fob is the key part. Otherwise they work exactly the same.
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Old 01-06-2014, 10:40 AM
 
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Then provide one that does if it's bugging you
It's not my obligation to substantiate your assertions. If you can't, be big enough to admit that you could be mistaken.
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Old 01-06-2014, 11:29 AM
 
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It's not my obligation to substantiate your assertions. If you can't, be big enough to admit that you could be mistaken.
I'm not mistaken, it was asked how the car computer detects the key if the key has no battery, my link explained it, works the same way with all of them, stop your whining.
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