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Old 06-02-2009, 08:04 PM
 
Location: Phoenix metro
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Kinda bummed that they gave away the results of the Mustang GT/Camaro SS/Challenger R/T on the cover (titled "Mustang wins!"), but the reviews of the 2010 Mustang are stellar. Despite being down massive hp compared to the other 2, the Mustang was only edged out .1 seconds to 60 by the Camaro, but handled eons better and has superior fit and finish. Im not a fan of the restyled rear end, but doggone it, if I had the dinero I would seriously saunter down to the dealer tomorrow and go drive one myself. They ranted and raved about it like it was a BMW for Pete's sake. And anyone who reads C&D knows their undying devotion to BMW.

They also gave their own little write-up on the Focus RS, stating its the best hot hatch ever made and is another grand slam for Ford.

I know firsthand how well Ford has turned their products around, and all the reviews lately confirm just what Ive seen myself... nice, reliable products that are attractively priced and have some style. Im a 100% believer again. Are you?

Discuss.
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Old 06-03-2009, 05:07 AM
 
Location: WI
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the one thing I noticed with all 3 together, the Mustang pulls off the retro look the best ( Dodge 2nd, just my .02 ). And while i'm not a Ford man, the value the GT brings to the table really makes it an affordable muscle car. Actually giving us consideration on a GT as our next toy car. The 0-60 times are close enough that another driver for another mag could get different results, but the 1/4 would prob stay the same. Imagine if they brought a KR to the table to have hp at same levels as competition... As for the Camaro, I actually expected more. 13 flat is a stong run; guess i'm just not sold on the overall package ( I owned a 2nd gen Camaro and had friends with 1st gen so spent plenty of time in those cars ). I was more impressed by what the v6 version did for it's value, then what the SS does...

As for that Focus, i may not hold my breath for Ford to bring it in; at least right now. Sure it's quite the package, but Ford may step lightly on new models right now until the economy is more stable. Make sure you have the good solid sellers being produced ( and purchased ), then mix in the toys later. But I will say they appear to be on the right path
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Old 06-03-2009, 06:19 AM
 
Location: South Jersey
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I have a Mustang. Its an amazing car. I have been a GM man most my life and I can tell ya that this is the best car I have owned.
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Old 06-03-2009, 06:33 AM
 
Location: WI
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plus for us, we can consider the GT more now that we're in the south, as it wouldn't have made for a great daily drive for my wife back in WI ( over 100" of snow each of the past 2 winters ). And we do see a lot of them on the roads here, not to mention that 'famous' exhaust rumble note they have
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Old 06-03-2009, 07:44 AM
 
Location: California
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Saw that a few days ago. We just got back from a trip and had a Challenger has a rental...given it was a rental and only a 6 cyl....but man, was that thing a SLUG! Not a bad looking car and had quite a few people ask us about it....But the handling was like driving a square heavy box around a cornor. I can see why the Mustang took 1st place!
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Old 06-03-2009, 04:50 PM
 
Location: West LA
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The fact that an article like this even exists these days brings a smile to my face. I felt that when the Supra, 300ZX, 3000GT, RX6, Camaro, and Firebird were axed that the days of the muscle cars had come to an end. Now, with the new Mustang, Camaro, Charger, and 370Z... I feel that it has been proven that there will always be a demand for fun cars. I definately have to tip my hat to Ford for not only sticking with the Mustang, but also for reinventing it as the hugely successful car it is today. It seems that all GM and Chrysler can do these days is try to keep up with Ford... which is typically a few year ahead of them.
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Old 06-03-2009, 04:52 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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Kinda bummed that they gave away the results of the Mustang GT/Camaro SS/Challenger R/T on the cover (titled "Mustang wins!"), but the reviews of the 2010 Mustang are stellar. Despite being down massive hp compared to the other 2, the Mustang was only edged out .1 seconds to 60 by the Camaro, but handled eons better and has superior fit and finish. Im not a fan of the restyled rear end, but doggone it, if I had the dinero I would seriously saunter down to the dealer tomorrow and go drive one myself. They ranted and raved about it like it was a BMW for Pete's sake. And anyone who reads C&D knows their undying devotion to BMW.

They also gave their own little write-up on the Focus RS, stating its the best hot hatch ever made and is another grand slam for Ford.

I know firsthand how well Ford has turned their products around, and all the reviews lately confirm just what Ive seen myself... nice, reliable products that are attractively priced and have some style. Im a 100% believer again. Are you?

Discuss.
Nothing could persuade me into any of those three. I'm just not moved by the "retro-modern" styling movement that's infested much of automotive design in the last 10-15 years.

As for the Focus RS: I only wish they'd make it AWD, and true AWD, not one of those "FWD until the front wheels slip and then it's AWD" AWD systems like they put on the rest of the Ford/Mazda/Volvo AWD lineup. But it's all for naught anyway since the RS will probably never see America's roads. Ford really missed the boat when other rally-inspired cars hit the U.S. market and they didn't release a comparable Focus RS here to get a piece of the action, ceding it to Subaru and Mitsubishi instead.
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Old 06-03-2009, 09:31 PM
 
Location: Phoenix metro
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Nothing could persuade me into any of those three. I'm just not moved by the "retro-modern" styling movement that's infested much of automotive design in the last 10-15 years.

As for the Focus RS: I only wish they'd make it AWD, and true AWD, not one of those "FWD until the front wheels slip and then it's AWD" AWD systems like they put on the rest of the Ford/Mazda/Volvo AWD lineup. But it's all for naught anyway since the RS will probably never see America's roads. Ford really missed the boat when other rally-inspired cars hit the U.S. market and they didn't release a comparable Focus RS here to get a piece of the action, ceding it to Subaru and Mitsubishi instead.
Id agree with ya here. The whole modern/retro look is interesting, but doesnt quite cut it. I think the Mustang, with the available track package, is probably the only one of the 3 I would consider buying because I value handling more so than speed, and the new 'Stang posted a good .92 gs on the skidpad. For a Mustang that doesnt have an "R" attached to its nameplate, that is quite shocking to me.

The RS? Im actually gonna agree with Ford on this one... they didnt go with AWD because with the ponies they put out, as well as the revised suspension and incredible chassis, the AWD would add too much weight and detract from the performance. The #s it posts are quite good w/o any AWD to aid it (or in this case detract from it). I do agree that Ford missed out on a good thing by not introducing any of their AWD bad boys here, especially seeing the success that Mitsu and Scooby have enjoyed, but the current RS and the previous RS are FWD, so that wouldnt really entice any buyers over from the WRC-loving crowd. Ford should have brought the old Cossies over. Ford and Lancia were duking it out on rally stages long before Subaru and Mitsu ever locked horns here in the states. But with the death of the Escort and Sierra Cosworth, buyers would have gone to Mitsu and/or Subaru anyways.
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Old 06-03-2009, 10:47 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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The RS? Im actually gonna agree with Ford on this one... they didnt go with AWD because with the ponies they put out, as well as the revised suspension and incredible chassis, the AWD would add too much weight and detract from the performance. The #s it posts are quite good w/o any AWD to aid it (or in this case detract from it). I do agree that Ford missed out on a good thing by not introducing any of their AWD bad boys here, especially seeing the success that Mitsu and Scooby have enjoyed, but the current RS and the previous RS are FWD, so that wouldnt really entice any buyers over from the WRC-loving crowd. Ford should have brought the old Cossies over. Ford and Lancia were duking it out on rally stages long before Subaru and Mitsu ever locked horns here in the states. But with the death of the Escort and Sierra Cosworth, buyers would have gone to Mitsu and/or Subaru anyways.
I don't necessarily think they would have gone to Subaru or Mitsu anyway. Remember, Ford cmpaigns in WRC with the Focus and has done so for the better part of a decade. And the platform is already equipped to accept an AWD driveline; it has to be for WRC homologation and obviously they adapt it to AWD for competition. At the very least they would have captured the segment that was interested in a car of this type and preferred to buy American. And IMO taking at least half the power away from the front wheels and moving it to the rear enhances performance over and above any drawbacks of a heavier AWD system, especially when you're putting down 300 HP. It's harder to manage that much power through the front wheels only (especially on a compact car) and that's plenty of power to overcome the exta weight and rotating mass of an AWD system.
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Old 06-04-2009, 07:05 AM
 
Location: Fly-over country.
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I too would like to see the RS here, but I guess the marketing guys at Ford have to decide how vibrant the "hot-hatch" market is now. I think it's faded. Scion seems to have led the charge for inexpensive "cool-looking" cars that are easy to do visual mods with, and it seems they hit a home run. Others are following (Nissan, Kia, etc.)

Front drive has come a looong way, so I wouldn't lament it so much on the RS.

For the big 3 modern pony / muscle cars, I am not impressed. The hot ones (somewhere north of 40K) might be fun for baby boomers to relive some bad 70s flashback peeling out from a light or weekending the quarter-mile. Ford has been racing that Mustang GT long enough to know it is better than the others (watch them this weekend in American LeMans, Watkins Glen).
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