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Old 10-29-2009, 11:02 AM
 
Location: Vancouver, B.C., Canada
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Specifically because the basic premise of your post ("adding more power to it increases the amount of understeer to the car") is flawed. Well no, it only does that once you reach the limits of tire adhesion. And until that happens, more power is just plain going to make the car go faster.

Hell, two of the examples you cited (Civic Si, Cobalt SS) will out-handle just about anything on the market right now save dedicated sports cars. They out-slalom the BMW 335i, the Audi S4, the Ford Mustang Shelby GT500, the Camaro SS, the Lexus IS350, Acura TL, Hyundai Genesis V6 Coupe, etc. Whatever you drove in your little tale above, chances are pretty darn good that both these cars would have eaten you for lunch in the hands of a semi-competent driver.
really the cobalt SS is that good
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Old 10-29-2009, 11:04 AM
 
Location: Chicago
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really the cobalt SS is that good
The 2008+ model is, yeah. The 2007 and earlier was an understeering mess.

Car mag editors could hardly believe it when they drove it. They still think it's too ugly though.

ETA: here's a few review vids:


YouTube - 2008 Chevrolet Cobalt SS Coupe by Inside Line


YouTube - 2009 Chevrolet Cobalt SS - Car and Driver


YouTube - Chevy Cobalt SS vs. 09 WRX, Mazdaspeed 3, and Four Other Sport Compacts - Car and Driver
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Old 10-29-2009, 02:53 PM
 
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Uh-huh. And you supposedly beat a professional driver in a Civic Si driving what, if I may ask? Your imagination?
If you do not believe me, I recommend you attempt it yourself. If you cannot do it, you simply do not have good driving skills, period.

A few years after I quit doing this, I saw some videos of battles on the mountains. I would say that they are excellent representations of the duels I had (only the cars here are heavily modified). Here is one example:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4q0f7sslXE
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Old 10-29-2009, 03:08 PM
 
Location: Kansas
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Is anybody else taken aback by the fact that an entry level Chevy is getting good reviews at something? Usually this is the type of car people love to bash. "Har Har look at that little POS domestic. Har Har!"
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Old 10-29-2009, 03:13 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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It's a great handling car with decent power. It still looks awful and has an interior I'd be ashamed to sit in. The Cobalt SS wouldn't be the car for me but it certainly drives well.
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Old 10-29-2009, 06:20 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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If you do not believe me, I recommend you attempt it yourself. If you cannot do it, you simply do not have good driving skills, period.

A few years after I quit doing this, I saw some videos of battles on the mountains. I would say that they are excellent representations of the duels I had (only the cars here are heavily modified).
I have attempted it myself, on numerous surface types from tarmac to gravel to dirt to snow to sheer ice. I've been around enough competitive driving to know that your "more power means more understeer" theory is a ten-foot-high pile of nonsense.

And you're still evading my question.
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Old 10-29-2009, 07:47 PM
 
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And you're still evading my question.
Naa, just not interested in wasting my time talking to someone without actual experience. I have seen your posts and it is clear enough evidence to just stay away from someone like yourself.
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Old 10-30-2009, 12:28 AM
 
Location: Coopersburg, PA
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I have resisted the temptation to post on this thread since its inception, but have finally broke down. Since the poster did not specify, I know of no better car in the snow on the highway than a front wheel drive cadillac--V8, lots of weight over the front tires--I have passed many cars in the ditch (although I did that too with my 74 LTD-- you just go faster in a caddy).
Please for the love of god....no more posts that GM makes a good anything.......
its all junk....made from junk...for ..hell i dont know..maybe card carring union tools....
Buy a front drive car from germany or a Nice honda....forget the rest....THE END
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Old 10-30-2009, 10:59 AM
 
Location: Chicago
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Naa, just not interested in wasting my time talking to someone without actual experience. I have seen your posts and it is clear enough evidence to just stay away from someone like yourself.
I'll take that to mean "I was making crap up and talking out of my ass." Pretty much as I suspected.
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Old 10-30-2009, 11:51 AM
 
Location: Vancouver, B.C., Canada
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I'll take that to mean "I was making crap up and talking out of my ass." Pretty much as I suspected.
agreed the car with the more power will pull faster and harder out of the coeners and will beat the lesser powered car on the straight aways so marcusj245 comments make no sense if the slower less powerful car was faster to race they would not make high powed sports cars then.
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