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Old 08-30-2010, 04:55 AM
 
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Its like, if you go to the dealer and buy a piece of sh*t its always going to be a piece of sh*t. The logic of some people is simply amazing.
exactly. you can buy a japanese car without this mentality. the "pieces of sh*t" are few and far between.

with a Ford, you have one or two proven good models, one or two known bad ones, and then everything else is a complete roll of the dice.

if Europeans are buying imports, it isn't clear why they'd choose American. this is why i suggest that maybe Ford Europe has been doing something different than Ford in the US, or maybe i'm just overestimating ford's market share over there.
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Old 08-30-2010, 09:13 AM
 
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exactly. you can buy a japanese car without this mentality. the "pieces of sh*t" are few and far between.

with a Ford, you have one or two proven good models, one or two known bad ones, and then everything else is a complete roll of the dice.

if Europeans are buying imports, it isn't clear why they'd choose American. this is why i suggest that maybe Ford Europe has been doing something different than Ford in the US, or maybe i'm just overestimating ford's market share over there.
Answer the question. Don't take a comment of mine out of context to twist it into what you want to say. So far you're full of it.
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Old 08-30-2010, 10:09 AM
 
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So far you're full of it.
indeed, i am so full of the truth that it upsets you.

resale values of American-made cars tell all the story you need to know.
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Old 08-30-2010, 11:09 AM
 
Location: U.S.A.
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indeed, i am so full of the truth that it upsets you.

resale values of American-made cars tell all the story you need to know.
Truth? You're the one hiding truth, you can't even answer a simple question. Too afraid of making a fool out of yourself just like the other person I exposed.

It must be painful for people like you to be at ground zero of American auto companies reclaiming their dominance in the market.
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Old 08-30-2010, 11:23 AM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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American cars have a bad reputation, whether that is still justified, no idea.
Chevrolet and Cadillac are probably the only two GM brands people here have heard of. Hardly anybody buys a Cadillac though. They cost a lot, but are no competition for European or Japanese cars. Chevrolet means Corvette over here There are a couple of compact cars by Chevrolet, but they are not American models.

Many US cars have automatic drive, which Europeans don't like. They use too much gas, are too clumsy for medieval cities...
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Old 08-30-2010, 12:09 PM
 
Location: Houston
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GM (Opel) and Ford sell tons of cars in Europe, but those cars don't compare with the GMs and Fords in the States. Opels and European Fords are for the most part designed and made in Europe and aligned to the European market / consumer. People also don't really consider Opels and European Fords as "imports" or American cars in the sense they would a Cadillac, Chevrolet, Ford Mustang, etc. for example. Those American cars are hardly sold there at all and are primarily made for the North American market. One small exception I remember a few years ago was Chrysler, who sold PT Cruisers and some minivans over there (at least in Germany). They still didn't sell many, but you'd see them on the road from time to time - far more than any other US car anyway.
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Old 08-30-2010, 12:12 PM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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True, the PT Cruiser sold relatively well over here. There are also a number of Jeeps.
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Old 08-30-2010, 12:30 PM
 
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Wouldn't American cars in Europe would be considered imports and therefore, more expensive to buy and maintain with replacement parts?

I've been to Europe and cars like BMWs and Mercedes are more affordable in Europe since it's made in Europe.
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Old 08-30-2010, 12:37 PM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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Wouldn't American cars in Europe would be considered imports and therefore, more expensive to buy and maintain with replacement parts?

I've been to Europe and cars like BMWs and Mercedes are more affordable in Europe since it's made in Europe.
There are some car dealers specializing in US cars (http://www.americanct.de/content-19-uscar.html - broken link). Are those prices comparable? 1 Euro is about 1.25 USD.
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Old 08-30-2010, 03:10 PM
 
Location: Pikesville, MD
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indeed, i am so full of the truth that it upsets you.

resale values of American-made cars tell all the story you need to know.

Resale values mean nothing.

The average American likes American Idol, can't vote to save their life, overeats, is considered a bad driver, can't save money, has horrible spending and debt habits, etc. But let them choose Camry or an Accord over a comparable Ford or GM and they are suddenly Mensa candidates and "informed consumers."



Sorry, but I'm not going buy what you're selling here.

And if we want to talk resale value, top European luxury cars have the worst resale value/depreciation hits of all of them, and they are supposedly the best of the best, regardless of whether they are from Mercedes, BMW, or Audi. But top Japanese luxury makers aren't far behind. Ever price out a 10 year old Lexus LS or Infiniti Q?
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