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They make lots of torque so you don't need to rev them to 7,000 rpm to accelerate fast.
Because they don't need to rev to very high rpm's, they (in general) last a long time before a rebuild is needed.
Many of them, while capable of 13-second 1/4 miles, had a smooth idle and were tractable driving on the street. A few examples would be the 440 Mopar and 428 Ford. They had relatively mild cams and modest carburetion for a smooth idle, but with 440-480 lbs-ft of torque they gave excellent acceleration.
They certainly weren't excessive to many gear heads. It's not uncommon for 383 Mopar engines to be bored out to 438 cu-in or even 472 cu-in. And 440s bored out to over 480 cu-in.
You don't get an argument from me. I like and appreciate displacement, but when all you're doing is adding cubes without working the head, it gets old. (literally).
(If money were unlimited for my build, I'd opt for the 3.4 liter stroker kit for my IS300 (made by Crower). It would be nice for extra torque, but I think the goal for my 3.0 liters is not only realistic, it's the norm these days with these 2JZGTE engines. Many of them do it with stock bottom ends).
Again, I respect and love muscle cars, but I also love forced induction, and small engines. Variety is not only good, but necessary.
Nobody is a "baller" like you. How many people can say they have limos in their garage?
Let me be you for a day.
Same car as mine. I'm not done with mine. Again, I love forced induction. I still respect and admire Hot Rods/Muscle Cars. I just can't stand some pricks who own them, with more ego than Horsepower/TQ.
You don't get an argument from me. I like and appreciate displacement, but when all you're doing is adding cubes without working the head, it gets old. (literally).
That makes sense... just adding more cubes without doing anything else is not the best way to hot rod an engine. Porting and polishing and blueprinting should also be done.
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Again, I respect and love muscle cars, but I also love forced induction, and small engines. Variety is not only good, but necessary.
I like to keep my cars for a long time. That is one reason I like big engines with a lot of torque. I don't like to rebuild an engine unless I have to.
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Nobody is a "baller" like you. How many people can say they have limos in their garage?
Let me be you for a day.
What is a "baller?" Don't know if you can be me for a day, but I am planning on making a 5-minute video of my limo "on the road." Driving down a street being filmed from another car next to it and some general turning and accelerating shots.
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Same car as mine. I'm not done with mine. Again, I love forced induction. I still respect and admire Hot Rods/Muscle Cars. I just can't stand some pricks who own them, with more ego than Horsepower/TQ.
Well, there are some jerks in every part of the car culture.
What is a "baller?" Don't know if you can be me for a day, but I am planning on making a 5-minute video of my limo "on the road." Driving down a street being filmed from another car next to it and some general turning and accelerating shots.
According to the urban dictionary, it is someone who has attained wealth/money. The term is used to say you're living well.
My students used to say it.
According to the urban dictionary, it is someone who has attained wealth/money. The term is used to say you're living well.
My students used to say it.
hp is not everything.. Torque is what mores a vehicle and keeps its moving.. Mr NY is too busy reading too many Honda tuning magazines. I know Vinny Ten personally and he has done work for me as far back as 92 when he had his one bay shop. And Kenny Detweiller has not made Buick GN parts for 15 years.. I too had a GN that ran well into the 11's and I used to race it at E town too.. The old Mark IV Supras were legendary but they pale in comparison to what is out there today. The new GT500's are king of the drag strips today (as far as new cars go)and many are well into the 7's. There are no imports that are competitive. Heck, the Import racing association went belly up last year in fact.. I love the Import vs domestic race every summer at Atco when Import guys's get their buts handed to them.. Every year... Every drag racer knows that the imports are known to rarely make a clean run with breaking something or getting squirrely and letting off. .. Everyone who has been racing for any time knows this..
These guys make Vinny Ten look silly... ... Good friends of mine..
hp is not everything.. Torque is what mores a vehicle and keeps its moving.. Mr NY is too busy reading too many Honda tuning magazines. I know Vinny Ten personally and he has done work for me as far back as 92 when he had his one bay shop. And Kenny Detweiller has not made Buick GN parts for 15 years.. I too had a GN that ran well into the 11's and I used to race it at E town too.. The old Mark IV Supras were legendary but they pale in comparison to what is out there today. The new GT500's are king of the drag strips today (as far as new cars go)and many are well into the 7's. There are no imports that are competitive. Heck, the Import racing association went belly up last year in fact.. I love the Import vs domestic race every summer at Atco when Import guys's get their buts handed to them.. Every year... Every drag racer knows that the imports are known to rarely make a clean run with breaking something or getting squirrely and letting off. .. Everyone who has been racing for any time knows this..
These guys make Vinny Ten look silly... ... Good friends of mine..
The boost logic Supra is fully street legal too. That Mustang doesn't look like it is.
The Mustang is driven on the street.. actually neither car will pass emissions so they are not legally street legal. Did you watch the vids? The Mustang is faster.. Notice how straight the Mustang goes? Look at the Supra. Thats what im talking about when I say squirrely.. And he did not even turn up the boost yet..Its only at 17 lbs now. About 1/2 what the Supra is running at..
hp is not everything.. Torque is what mores a vehicle and keeps its moving.. Mr NY is too busy reading too many Honda tuning magazines. I know Vinny Ten personally and he has done work for me as far back as 92 when he had his one bay shop. And Kenny Detweiller has not made Buick GN parts for 15 years.. I too had a GN that ran well into the 11's and I used to race it at E town too.. The old Mark IV Supras were legendary but they pale in comparison to what is out there today. The new GT500's are king of the drag strips today (as far as new cars go)and many are well into the 7's. There are no imports that are competitive. Heck, the Import racing association went belly up last year in fact.. I love the Import vs domestic race every summer at Atco when Import guys's get their buts handed to them.. Every year... Every drag racer knows that the imports are known to rarely make a clean run with breaking something or getting squirrely and letting off. .. Everyone who has been racing for any time knows this..
These guys make Vinny Ten look silly... ... Good friends of mine..
That Mustang is a half backed chassis, so your arguments about squirliness goes out the window. Want to compare factory chassis? I'll accept it, but not half backed. That's no longer OEM. You know it.
Again, you can't fool me Frank.
So you know Vinny Ten, and you call him silly, now? (Not nice)
A little prick'ish today, aren't we? I'm not even into Hondas, so check your facts with that condescending attitude. You're the domestic guys I talk about, that I take pleasure in beating at the track and on back roads.
Again, if people had your mindset, there would not be a (big) import scene in this country. We'd resort to V8s. Thank God for that (not happening).
The movement started small and gained momentum fast. Sadly they let the NHRA get their domestic minded, greedy hands on the events, thinking NHRA would do it some good. It didn't. I think NHRA coming to meddle in the imports' business did it more harm than good. They left and I'm glad they did. I hope they never come back. If would be a shame it they let them in again. I wouldn't even attend an import event sanctioned by the NHRA. They're cluelss when it comes to imports.
If you want to be fair, the import racing scene is at its infancy compared to the domestics, yet is impressive by many feats.
How many domestics with 4 cylinder turbo motors were making the kind of power Honda, Toyota and Mitsubishis made then? None. Don't even bring Mopar in it. Althought they were one of the first to have Fwds in the 12s back in the days (old 2.2 turbo motors). I give them that much, but their chassis were old, and engines could not hold a candle against the import 4 cylinders.
Quick (and short) lesson about domestics professionally racing 4 cylinders against imports, in the last 10-12 years ---->
GM came into the import racing game with millions, putting a lot of money developing the EcoTech motor. No other Import manufacturer came into the scene with that kind of money. It was all done by small tuning shops, and companies. Ford came, and failed miserably. They tried to market their Focus (spending serious money on that full chassis Focus, then failed with the Ford Zetec motor, read..crap, serious POS), which was later on powered by the old Merkur 2.3 liter motor (a dinosaur with an iron head ) so they can compete. (Shows, even Ford had no faith in their Zetec powerplant)
(Under racing guidelines, you are not allowed to run another manufacturer's engine in your car, and race professionally in most classes, which made sense).
The Escort ZX2, didn't do too well either. The ZX2 did not appeal to the import masses. It was a joke. They failed too. They just did not understand the import racing culture. You cant always throw money at something you dont understand and expect it to work.
Again, how many imports run V8s? Barely any Japanese V8s. If they started putting 1UZFE motors, and VQ45 motors into the mix, then we'd be on the same playing field as the domestics for comparison. We still do well despite our lack of v8s. You can't deny it, nor dispute it.
I'm still happy to say the Supra in the video still has its 6cylinder in place (3.0 or 3.4 liter) vs a 5.4 liter V8 Mustang Turbo. It says something good about the imports. We don't need all that displacement to make power (maybe a little more boost, )
. Supras are still legendary if you ask me. The engine doesn't need much to make power. You know it, and gave the Supra its due credit. Of course what they did then in comparison to today will pale. It's always the case. What they did in 1999 vs 1989 is remarkable as well. That's normal. We evolve and progress with technology. Think of how streetable some of these 700whp Supras and IS300/GS300s are now. Back then, there would be more compromise. It's normal. We've evolved.
I wouldn't be surprised if I beat your GN back in the day on the Jersey Turnpike, or at Hunt's Point. That arrogance sounds familiar.
Thinking of the work my friend's GN had, 3.8 liter motor built, Duttweiler parts, and myriads of other parts (Duttweiler stuck to my mind of all). I never said his car was slow, but I wasn't too impressed comparing displacement, still running turbo, having better choices in aftermarket parts compared to us. (We had HKS, GReddy, a few others to chose from). We had to be creative back then, you guys had everything on a silver platter. Again, who was the underdog? We were, and we still did good with what little we had. We shocked all you nay sayers.
Granted, I like Grand Nationals, but again, they're good for one thing. Straight line accelerations. He could not take it to VIR, Lime Rock, or Road Atlanta. It was futile. Hence the purchase of the Z twin turbo, which we stil beat. (He enjoyed it more, because it served him more than one purpose).
My friend saw the light, maybe you did too.. (hence selling yours..)
One more thing, the import won a few of these Import vs Domestic series. I was there. You can't lie. And we know Domestics were the king for causing leaks on the track, blowing engines, slowing things down. Dude, you can't fool me. (I was always there).
Stay loyal to Domestics, I'll stay loyal to common sense. How about that?
I figured you had a GN (either that, or you liked them), from your screen name from the beginning (car guy stuff ). (Italian guy maybe? For some reason, something about you sounds familiar, plus you say you know Vinny Ten...) Do you also know Paisley? How often were you in NYC?
I remember when Vinny Ten had his store in Manhattan, then moved to Queens. Good ol' days. By the way, the Boost Logic Supra used to be Paisley Racing's Supra.
I was looking for some nice GMC Typhoon and Cyclone videos, but can't find enough that are interesting. If you find some vids, please post them. I always liked them as well. Only modern domestics (non V8) worthy of mention. (them and the GN)
The Neon SRT-4 is a cheaply built car, but still gets the job done for a 4cyl FWD.
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