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Old 04-30-2015, 11:33 AM
 
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As part of its restructuring, Malaysia Airlines is putting its entire fleet of Airbus A380s along with four 777-200ERs, its two Boeing 747-400Fs and four Airbus A330-200Fs up for sale or lease. Selling its freighters effectively curtails MASCargo as a going concern. Malaysia Airlines fleet restructuring - Leeham News and Comment

According to the fleet matrix at Planespotter.net, this will leave the airline with just ten A330s, 57x 737-800s and nine 777-200ERs. Malaysia Airlines Fleet Details and History - Planespotters.net Just Aviation

I suspect Airbus will be none too pleased to hear the news either at a time when sales of new aircraft are dipping.
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Old 04-30-2015, 01:00 PM
 
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The A380 is an awesome flagship plane but is not a money maker and last time I heard, no new A380's were sold this year? The Boeing 787 and new A-350 are the future of commercial aviation.
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Old 04-30-2015, 01:10 PM
 
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I assume that Malaysia Airlines is doing very badly at this time and they have no use for these super jumbo jets.
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Old 04-30-2015, 08:34 PM
 
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Who is to say these jets won’t this disappear too?
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Old 05-01-2015, 02:04 AM
 
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The A380 is an awesome flagship plane but is not a money maker and last time I heard, no new A380's were sold this year?
It's actually much worse than that. On 17 June 2013 Amedeo (an Irish leasing company) "ordered" 20 A380's contingent on finding someone who would lease them. As of today they have not found anyone, nor are there any hot hopefuls on the horizon.

On 17 November 2013 Emirates ordered 50 more A380's to bring their total orders up to 140. They effectively saved the program. However, they are not going to order any more without a new generation of engines. Without the new engines, the A380 will be totally outclassed by the planned Boeing 777max. As an incentive to start the program, Emirates has offered to order 200 neoA380's.

Four of Six Malaysia Airlines A380's are flying the Kuala Lumpur to London and Paris routes (about 6500 miles). The kindest thing would be for British Airways and Air France to purchase two A380's apiece and keep them on the same routes. Both airlines operate the A380, and the routes may be more profitable without the jinx name of Malaysia Airlines. Turkish Airlines may buy the other two.

Another possibility is Transaero Airlines (Moscow). On 28 October 2011 they ordered 4 A380's, but they may be more likely to effectively make a profit if they are financing slightly used jets.

Remember the first A380 was only delivered 3 years ago to Malaysia Airlines.
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Old 05-03-2015, 02:58 AM
 
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It looks like MAS is planning to go forward as a regional carrier instead of worldwide. They already scrapped their KUL-FRA route and it wouldn't surprise me if more international routes will follow shortly. Malaysia A380 Decision Deepens Airbus Worries | Commercial Aviation content from Aviation Week

But Emirates continues to expand its A380 fleet so maybe they might be interested in the six relatively young A380s.
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Old 05-03-2015, 08:34 AM
 
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But Emirates continues to expand its A380 fleet so maybe they might be interested in the six relatively young A380s.
I don't think Emirates would touch a used airplane that was even 3 months old. they are already absorbing about half of the A380 production. Plus emirates just began their A380 flights from Dubai to Kuala Lumpur.

The more marginal airlines like Transaero which have distant orders for the A380 might be interested. Also virgin America put the original order for 6 A380's back in the year 2000, but they keep on deferring delivery.
Air Austral wants to outfit them with a dense configuration to fly from Paris to Seychelles.

Turkish Airlines has shown interest in the A380.

While not every model that Boeing produces is a runaway success, Airbus seems to have a knack for producing models that are abject failures. In addition to high profile ones like Concorder and the A380, they missed the boat entirely with the "Baby Bus" which was designed for inner city airports. The best known route that was successful is the London City to JFK (32 seats) that uses BA0001 and BA0002 (the old Concorde numbers).

MAS is keeping some of it's B777s and it's B747 so it won't be entirely a regional airline. It will not carry freight.
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Old 05-03-2015, 10:56 AM
 
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While not every model that Boeing produces is a runaway success, Airbus seems to have a knack for producing models that are abject failures. In addition to high profile ones like Concorder and the A380, they missed the boat entirely with the "Baby Bus" which was designed for inner city airports. The best known route that was successful is the London City to JFK (32 seats) that uses BA0001 and BA0002 (the old Concorde numbers).

MAS is keeping some of it's B777s and it's B747 so it won't be entirely a regional airline. It will not carry freight.
That's unfair. The US was primarily responsible for encouraging US airlines to cancel their orders for Concorde on the grounds of noise pollution primarily because the country didn't have a supersonic aircraft of its own to compete with.

Also, the Russian equivalent at the time, the TU-144 didn't do Concorde any favours by crashing the aircraft at the 1973 Paris Airshow.

But now of course with no competition to contend with the US is once again considering the possibility of a supersonic transport once again: Is supersonic passenger travel set to make a comeback?

As for MAS, I think they'll probably cut back on their 777s as well eventually since all the remaining aircraft date from 1997-2000. They'll still be able to compete in the US and European markets through their membership of the One World Alliance though via codeshare flights.
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Old 05-03-2015, 02:54 PM
 
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According to Chief Financial Officer of airbus, Harald Wilhelm , A380 production of 30 aircraft is sold out in 2015-16, but there are open slots in 2017. “We still have time to add to [the order book],” he said. Wilhelm “cannot see” the alleged decision by Malaysia Airlines (MAS) to sell or lease out its entire Airbus A380 fleet “impacting our campaigns” for more orders.

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I suspect Airbus will be none too pleased to hear the news either at a time when sales of new aircraft are dipping.
I tend to agree with you. I think Wilhelm is lying through his teeth. The delivery rate seems very low for the year they were going to break even on production. Pressure is on to make a formal decision on the neoA380. These 6 airframes can't be a welcome distraction. I think they will try and persuade BA to buy some of them and keep them on the London-Kuala Lumpur Route (just change livery).

BA has three more unfilled A380's on order, but I don't think Airbus has started work on them. Air France also has 2 A380's that are on order. Perhaps if Airbus drops the order, they will buy two of them and put them on the Paris-Kuala Lumpur route.

Airbus A380-800 delivered in 2015:
  1. 170 A6-APB Etihad Airways 25. Apr 2015 Active F-WWAB
  2. 171 A6-EOF Emirates 30. Jan 2015 Active F-WWAM
  3. 172 A6-EOG Emirates 02. Mar 2015 Active F-WWAX
  4. 173 G-XLEI British Airways 13. Feb 2015 Active F-WWSB
  5. 174 A6-EOH Emirates 17. Apr 2015 Active F-WWSH
  6. 175 D-AIMM Lufthansa 11. Mar 2015 Active F-WWSP Delhi
  7. 177 D-AIMN Lufthansa 10. Apr 2015 Active F-WWSR San Francisco

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Old 05-03-2015, 06:09 PM
 
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The A380, like the Concorde, was built primarily for reasons of prestige and hubris, not necessarily to turn a profit. The French once had the "fastest". Now, it's "biggest". To many Europeans, the French in particular it seems like, bragging rights and image often matter more than just economics.

The US, as noted above, did research a few SST designs (notably the Boeing 2707) and wisely scrapped them. Also let's not forget that about 25 years ago, McDonnell-Douglas was pitching the proposed MD-12 concept, which was essentially an identical aircraft to the A380. They found no viable market for it then, so it also got scrapped. Now, more than two decades later, we have the -380 which also has very little market to speak of. As also correctly noted above, it's really only one airline (Emirates) that's keeping it alive. Had they not bought as many as they did, Airbus likely would've shelved the project too, just like they did in Long Beach.
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