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Old 07-21-2017, 09:30 AM
 
Location: Tulsa
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Your point is well taken. I should have used a different term. What I meant to convey that on a 3-3-3 configuration such as the 777, 2/9ths of the passengers (i.e. the ones in the window seats) have to climb over 2 seatmates to reach an aisle, whereas no one has to get past more than one seatmate to reach an aisle on a plane with 2-4-2 configuration, such as the A-330.
That's why I don't fly middle seats.

Actually, the width for a seat on 3-3-3 configuration 777 is pretty decent.

3-3-3 on 787 is where the nightmare begins.
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Old 07-21-2017, 01:11 PM
 
Location: Denver
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It's fine. Any aircraft flying today by a major airline is fine. Any incidents are just one out of hundreds of thousands of flights per year and the number of incidents that have fatalities is one in a million+ flights. You're more likely to die driving to work than on an airplane.
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Old 07-21-2017, 02:56 PM
 
Location: Beautiful Pennsylvania / Dull Germany
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3-3-3 on 777 is getting rare. 3-4-3 is common these days, and this is horrible.
2-5-2 on the 777 is okay, as long as you are sitting on the 2 outside, not the 5 in the middle.
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Old 07-21-2017, 03:33 PM
 
Location: Denver
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3-3-3 on 777 is getting rare. 3-4-3 is common these days, and this is horrible.
2-5-2 on the 777 is okay, as long as you are sitting on the 2 outside, not the 5 in the middle.
3-4-3 on a 777 is essentially the same space as on every 737. It's not the end of the world, considering the 737 has been around 30 years
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Old 07-21-2017, 03:54 PM
 
Location: Beautiful Pennsylvania / Dull Germany
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3-4-3 on a 777 is essentially the same space as on every 737. It's not the end of the world, considering the 737 has been around 30 years
But one is not doing 10+ hours trips on a 737.
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Old 07-21-2017, 04:46 PM
 
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Good plane no worries.........on AF447 they hit super cooling in major thunderstorm activity and all three pitot tubes iced over.....thus sending no info to the computers. The bad part is new pitot tubes were due to be installed on that plane in the next couple weeks, so it shouldn't have happened. In any case there was a way the crew could have flown it out anyway, and everybody has been updated on that a long time ago. My motorcycle riding buddy is a retired A330 pilot, only says good things about the bird.
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Old 07-21-2017, 07:08 PM
 
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I believe something like the pitot tube froze causing it to give the wrong airspeed the computer got bad input commands the pilots didn't know what they were doing and relied too much on the computer and they had the wrong altitude and speed and eventually stalled and crashed. It should never have happened.
They have solved the pitot tube dilemma for a long time, so those incidents wont be happening again.
They pretty much figured out how to prevent most of the disasters besides pilot error.
That new training goes a long way. The incidents are so few now.
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Old 07-22-2017, 07:03 AM
 
Location: Metro Washington DC
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It's my understanding that the pitot tube problem is not solve. It was improved, but it can still happen. On AF447, the pilots acted like they had never flown before. Pulling back on the stick until the plane stalled. That's more a pilot peoblem than a pitot problem.
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Old 07-22-2017, 01:18 PM
 
Location: Silicon Valley, CA
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3-3-3 on 777 is getting rare. 3-4-3 is common these days, and this is horrible.
2-5-2 on the 777 is okay, as long as you are sitting on the 2 outside, not the 5 in the middle.
Yes - 10 abreast is becoming more common on Triple 7s these days. Used to be it was only Emirates and AF that had that configuration and everyone else was a 9 abreast row in Y (either 3-3-3 or 2-5-2; the 3's seemed to be more common).

UA has switched their 3-3-3 on 777s to a 3-4-3; I was on one, probably the newer 777-300ERs, from HKG to SFO recently.
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Old 07-26-2017, 12:28 AM
 
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I believe something like the pitot tube froze causing it to give the wrong airspeed the computer got bad input commands the pilots didn't know what they were doing and relied too much on the computer and they had the wrong altitude and speed and eventually stalled and crashed. It should never have happened.
there is an entire wikipedia page on that crash.
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