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Old 10-31-2018, 12:03 PM
 
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Istanbul aims to replace Atlanta as the busiest airport.
Istanbul has 4 billion people within the range of single aisle jets. that includes all of Europe, most of Africa, and a large percentage of Asia. With up to 6 runways, they will be able to handle large numbers of operations. Obviously since aisle operations are less expensive than dual aisle, the airport will have the capacity to grow very quickly while Dubai operates much larger and more expensive jets.

The Americas have only 1 billion people. Except for the occasional B757 all operations from Atlanta that cross the ocean must be on dual aisle jets. But Delta is purchasing 100 A321neos, a single aisle jet with a range of up to 4000 nautical miles. That will bring many destinations in Europe and Africa within range of the single aisle jet.

London Heathrow was the 3rd largest airport in the world as late as 2014, and has now dropped to 7th. I think in the future, the largest airport will not be governed by the big jets, but simply by numbers of operations with smaller single aisle jets. That means lots of runways, and inexpensive place to function as a hub.

But Istanbul is (as of 2017) smaller than 14 airports around the world (4 in China, 1 in Japan, 4 in europe, 1 in Middle East, and 4 in USA)
China PEK/PVG/CAN/HKG
Japan HND
France CDG
Germany FRA
The Netherlands AMS
United Kingdom LHR
United Arab Emirates DXB
United States ATL/LAX/ORD/DFW

It's a pretty big step to becoming the largest airport in the world and leapfrogging all those airports in only a decade.


Range 4000 nmi from Atlanta
http://www.gcmap.com/map?P=ams%0d%0a...X=540x540&PM=*

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Old 10-31-2018, 04:56 PM
 
Location: The City
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Yes, as they always have been. This doesn't take away the fact that Atlanta is still the busiest Airport in the world, with the world's largest single Airline hub.



Atlanta has the only nonstops to Asia from the Southeast, including Miami. Seoul is also our largest O&D International route, due the large Korean residential and business community here. This is unique among U.S. cities, as most have either London or Toronto and their top International destination.



Atlanta has 19 nonstop European destinations served by Air France, British Air, Delta, KLM, Lufthansa, Turkish Air and Virgin Atlantic. Atlanta has the only U.S. nonstops to Stuttgart as well.

Atlanta also has nonstops to Doha in the Middle East, and Lagos and Johannesburg in Africa.



Not shocking at all, considering that Delta operates the largest single Airline hub in the World here.



Yet Delta is more profitable than American and United, has much better labor relations, scores higher with J.D. Powers as a better Airline and has paid their employee's over one Billion dollars in bonuses for the past 4 years.



Orlando is the largest tourism destination in the World, and had over 60 million visitors last year. Las Vegas is also a huge tourism market. Because of this these two cities have larger O&D than Metro areas much larger than them, not just Atlanta and Dallas. They also are both the top Convention cities in the U.S., and are numbers one and two with the most hotel rooms in the Country. With the exception of New York and L.A., it's pretty hard to compete with this.

And your 2009 O&D ranking is woefully outdated. Atlanta's O&D is currently 35.6 million a year, which is over 97,000 daily.

Not sure why you are biased against Atlanta or Delta, but your attempt to minimize both is pretty weak.


I think the point was for the volume it has fewer destinations than might be expected in Europe especially


Philly (PHL) a much smaller airport as an example (PHL is an AA hub but a little more mixed in its domestic/Itnl than ATL which is more dominant for its domestic in the relative but a much larger airport overall), I think Delta uses JFK for a lot more for Intl than does AA which seems to have been more recently shifting some European connections to PHL, or it seems that way (plus I much prefer PHL customs over most, one good thing about PHL is customs IMHO)


Dublin
Amsterdam
London
Madrid
Manchester
Munich
Paris
Rome
Athens
Barcelona
Berlin
Dubrovnik
Edinburgh
Lisbon
Prague
Shannon
Venice
Milan
Zurich
Frankfurt
Rejkavik (not sure if Iceland counts)






21 with Iceland 20 without, actually more European destinations




It also has Doha (did away with Isreal a few years ago because of the AA litigation they gave up the old US air Isreal daily), no Asian flights and only Mexico City for Lat Am non mainly beach cities




I have to drive the 80 minutes to EWR for Asia or JFK (a pain nearly 2 hours) for South Africa if you want directs




In most ways anyone who travels a lot is lucky to have a hub, I dread any connections and hardly ever have to from PHL




oddly UPS does do a cargo flight to Asia (HK) from PHL but no passenger flights
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Old 10-31-2018, 05:26 PM
 
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I think the point was for the volume it has fewer destinations than might be expected in Europe especially
Philly (PHL) a much smaller airport as an example
If you look at the ratio of domestic/international passengers for 2017, JFK is probably the only airport that flies fewer domestic passengers than international. But Atlanta is more dominated by domestic traffic than most top USA hubs
  • 0.8 JFK
  • 1.0 MIA
  • 2.4 LAX
  • 2.4 EWR
  • 2.9 IAH
  • 3.2 SFO
  • 4.5 BOS
  • 5.0 ORD
  • 6.6 MCO
  • 6.8 DFW
  • 7.1 PHL
  • 8.2 ATL-----------------------------------------
  • 12.1 LAS
  • 12.6 LGA
  • 13.6 CLT
  • 23.5 BWI
  • 24.1 SAN
  • 60.9 DCA
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Old 11-03-2018, 06:38 AM
 
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Yeah bottom line is everybody goes "thru" Atlanta, few people go there.
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Old 11-03-2018, 01:06 PM
 
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Which Airport in USA has maximum International Passenger Traffic ?? Is it still JFK or any other airport is poised to take over from them.

Talking about Atlanta international connections, flights to Manchester and Brussels from any international airport normally gets cancelled after few months or years. I am not sure for how long Atlanta will be connected to those cities.
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Old 11-03-2018, 04:07 PM
 
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Which Airport in USA has maximum International Passenger Traffic ?? Is it still JFK or any other airport is poised to take over from them.
JFK, LAX and MIA are by far the biggest numbers of international passengers. That is unlikely to change in the next decade.

JFK is the only airport that has more international passengers than domestic passengers

1 John F. Kennedy International Airport Queens, New York JFK 32,232,269 Increase 3.0%
2 Los Angeles International Airport Los Angeles, California LAX 24,296,522 Increase 8.0%
3 Miami International Airport Miami-Dade County, Florida MIA 20,195,479 Decrease 3.0%
4 San Francisco International Airport San Mateo County, California SFO 13,127,656 Increase 8.0%
5 O'Hare International Airport Chicago, Illinois ORD 12,743,652 Increase 7.0%
6 Newark Liberty International Airport Newark and Elizabeth, New Jersey EWR 12,217,711 Increase 4.0%
7 Hartsfield–Jackson Atlanta International Airport Atlanta; Georgia ATL 11,659,891 Increase 5.0%
8 George Bush Intercontinental Airport Houston, Texas IAH 10,081,750 Decrease 3.0%
9 Dallas/Fort Worth International Airport Coppell, Euless, Grapevine, and Irving; Texas DFW 8,147,773 Increase 4.0%
10 Washington Dulles International Airport Dulles, Virginia IAD 7,488,692 Increase 4.0%

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Talking about Atlanta international connections, flights to Manchester and Brussels from any international airport normally gets cancelled after few months or years. I am not sure for how long Atlanta will be connected to those cities.
While ATL is ranked #7 in total passengers, it is ranked relatively low in the ration of domestic passengers to international passengers.

International travel is increasing much faster than domestic travel. ATL, IAH, DFW, or IAD is going to have to join the top five sooner or later.

It looks like ORD is spending the money to possibly becoming the new leader someday.
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Old 11-03-2018, 06:21 PM
 
Location: Wylie, Texas
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Really impressed by Atlanta, very surprised and disappointed by DFW (I live in Dallas). It's always been touted as the best thing around, but I guess they have a LOT of catching up to do. Well it's good to have goals lol
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Old 11-03-2018, 11:14 PM
 
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Really impressed by Atlanta, very surprised and disappointed by DFW (I live in Dallas). It's always been touted as the best thing around, but I guess they have a LOT of catching up to do. Well it's good to have goals lol
Dallas/Fort Worth International Airport is American Airlines’ largest passenger carrying hub, handling 51.1 million passengers annually.

But for international flights, I think that DFW falls behind MIA.
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Old 11-04-2018, 11:01 AM
 
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George Bush Houston Airport looks more well connected internationally to me then Dallas Fort Worth.
Despite a huge amount of immigrants from Indian Sub-Continent, there is no direct flight there. Air India can do wonders with direct connection. Even Etihad Airways is not present in DFW. Whole sub-continent is connected by either Emirates or Qatar Airways flight.

No direct flight to China from DFW??? This is mind-boggling too.

Air France to Paris is also seasonal. No KLM.

Many times while booking to Europe/Asia destinations from Dallas Fort-Worth, options are to first fly to EWR or ORD or JFK and then take connecting flight.


Atlanta is better then DFW for International connectivity.
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Old 11-04-2018, 03:39 PM
 
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No direct flight to China from DFW??? This is mind-boggling too.

Many times while booking to Europe/Asia destinations from Dallas Fort-Worth, options are to first fly to EWR or ORD or JFK and then take connecting flight.

Atlanta is better then DFW for International connectivity.
DFW has nonstop flights to Shanghai, Beijing, and Hong Kong as well as Tokyo, Seoul, and Sydney
ATL flies nonstop to Shanghai (starting next week) as well as Tokyo and Seoul.
LAX has nonstops to over two dozen airports in Asia and Oceania.

DFW does not fly to Africa and only seven airports in Europe, while ATL has far better connections to Europe and Africa
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