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Old 11-04-2018, 09:23 PM
 
Location: Niceville, FL
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Really impressed by Atlanta, very surprised and disappointed by DFW (I live in Dallas). It's always been touted as the best thing around, but I guess they have a LOT of catching up to do. Well it's good to have goals lol
The more other airports I visit, the more I appreciate the very logical and straightforward layout of ATL with its common airside area and 'spine and rib cage' layout. It's way too big, but it makes sense and the signage makes it easy to get around.

And hey, they actually seem to be finishing some of the ceiling work in the domestic concourses and it no longer looks like they're filming 'The Walking Dead' in the B gate areas during the overnights.

Short haul is never going to have the romance of the long airplane trip, but, save for the big UAE airports and Singapore, it's the workhorse service of the large and mega airport. I think Turkey is playing catch up with Dubai and am not sure the new airport is going to be able to meet its goals. 10-20 years from now, I'd guess it's a Chinese airport serving lots of short and medium haul routes that has taken the 'world's busiest' crown from the ATL.
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Old 11-05-2018, 11:55 AM
 
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Nothing can beat Atlanta it seems.

Their competitor Beijing Capital Airport will divert many flights to upcoming Beijing Daxing Airport. They also have Beijing Nanyuan Airport.This will reduce the passenger traffic there in Beijing Capital.

Shanghai has two Airports.

Dubai has reached its maximum.
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Old 11-05-2018, 06:51 PM
 
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Nothing can beat Atlanta it seems.
The rate of change at Atlanta over the last eight years has been relatively modest. It might even be Chicago O'Hare which passes Atlanta with this $8.5 billion improvement.

ATL change in number of passengers
2016-2017 Decrease 0.3%
2015-2016 Increase 2.6%
2014-2015 Increase 5.5%
2013-2014 Increase 1.9%
2012-2013 Decrease 1.1%
2011-2012 Increase 3.3%
2010-2011 Increase 3.5%
2009-2010 Increase 1.5%


One of these airports is going to have to join JFK, LAX, and MIA in handling the international travel. All three of those airports are very limited in potential for growth because of lack of runways, and international traffic is exploding. EWR is so growth limited that they are thinking of tearing the entire airport down and starting over. SFO is also limited by geography.

So it has to be ORD, DFW, ATL, IAD or IAH.

International passengers
1 John F. Kennedy International Airport Queens, New York JFK 32,232,269 Increase 3.0%
2 Los Angeles International Airport Los Angeles, California LAX 24,296,522 Increase 8.0%
3 Miami International Airport Miami-Dade County, Florida MIA 20,195,479 Decrease 3.0%
4 San Francisco International Airport San Mateo County, California SFO 13,127,656 Increase 8.0%
5 O'Hare International Airport Chicago, Illinois ORD 12,743,652 Increase 7.0%
6 Newark Liberty International Airport Newark and Elizabeth, New Jersey EWR 12,217,711 Increase 4.0%
7 Hartsfield–Jackson Atlanta International Airport Atlanta; Georgia ATL 11,659,891 Increase 5.0%
8 George Bush Intercontinental Airport Houston, Texas IAH 10,081,750 Decrease 3.0%
9 Dallas/Fort Worth International Airport Coppell, Euless, Grapevine, and Irving; Texas DFW 8,147,773 Increase 4.0%
10 Washington Dulles International Airport Dulles, Virginia IAD 7,488,692 Increase 4.0%
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Old 11-05-2018, 07:01 PM
 
Location: Silicon Valley, CA
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Nothing can beat Atlanta it seems.

Their competitor Beijing Capital Airport will divert many flights to upcoming Beijing Daxing Airport. They also have Beijing Nanyuan Airport.This will reduce the passenger traffic there in Beijing Capital.

Shanghai has two Airports.

Dubai has reached its maximum.
Well, Beijing is really huge and problematic as a hub because of its chronic delays. I've taken a high speed rail from Shanghai to Beijing rather than connect via air because of it. Don't know how it's going to turn out after the 2nd airport is opened. Given the distances between the airports, and being north and south of the city, connecting between the airports are going to be time consuming (think of Narita and Haneda in Tokyo, or CDG and Orly in Paris as analogies).
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Old 11-06-2018, 05:23 AM
 
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Nothing can beat Atlanta it seems.
Ultimately, the American South has 8 large airports to serve a population of 123 million.
  1. ATL Atlanta
  2. DFW Fort Worth
  3. CLT Charlotte
  4. MCO Orlando
  5. MIA Miami
  6. IAH Houston
  7. FLL Fort Lauderdale
  8. TPA Tampa

Soekarno–Hatta International Airport in Indonesia (33 years old) serves a region of Western Java with population 46 million and is the central hub for a country of population 260 million. With their new runway and development they will be able to handle 100 million air passengers in 7 years.

Just given the sheer number of people it seems as if some airport will pass ATL inside a decade.
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Old 11-06-2018, 01:10 PM
 
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As per latest 2018 half yearly figures, Delhi Airport has reached number 10 spot. DEL is ahead of Paris, Amsterdam, Frankfurt, Dallas Fort-Worth. 6 Asian Airports in top 10.

Still it is unlikely that Delhi will ever surpass Atlanta as there is negligible number of transfer passengers. Most passengers are either embarking or ending their journey at Delhi Airport.
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Old 11-07-2018, 09:31 AM
 
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As per latest 2018 half yearly figures, Delhi Airport has reached number 10 spot. DEL is ahead of Paris, Amsterdam, Frankfurt, Dallas Fort-Worth. 6 Asian Airports in top 10.
Looks like within next few years there will be no European airports in top 10. Just ATL,LAX, and ORD along with 7 airports in Asia or Middle East.

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Old 11-07-2018, 03:54 PM
 
Location: Silicon Valley, CA
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As per latest 2018 half yearly figures, Delhi Airport has reached number 10 spot. DEL is ahead of Paris, Amsterdam, Frankfurt, Dallas Fort-Worth. 6 Asian Airports in top 10.

Still it is unlikely that Delhi will ever surpass Atlanta as there is negligible number of transfer passengers. Most passengers are either embarking or ending their journey at Delhi Airport.
That's interesting to hear that Delhi has more O/D passenger traffic relative to transfers.

Would BOM (Mumbai) have more connecting passengers, relatively speaking?
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Old 11-07-2018, 06:29 PM
 
Location: Spain
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Shanghai has two Airports.
Yep, I learned this the hard way once. Figured it out while on a bus going to the wrong one.
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Old 11-08-2018, 11:35 AM
 
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That's interesting to hear that Delhi has more O/D passenger traffic relative to transfers.

Would BOM (Mumbai) have more connecting passengers, relatively speaking?
No Not Bombay either. Indian Air Traffic system was never designed for hub and spoke model. Most passengers fly Direct flight between any two destinations.

Very Few International passengers take connecting flights after landing in Delhi / Mumbai.

In Domestic Air Travel too, taking connecting flight at any hub is very rare. Sometimes same airplane will stop at a destination, drop some passengers, take some new and continue towards next destination. But hub and spoke is unheard of !!! Passengers of nearby cities will take train/bus/car to their destination. If it is very far, then they will take direct flight. The country is much smaller in area as compared to USA (25% I think) and it is impossible to convince any passenger to spend 2 hours at any hub waiting for connecting flight. He would rather go by train then !!!
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