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Completely correct regarding wide-body seat widths, much to the chagrin of anyone who is stuck on one of these planes for a long-haul flight. However, I wasn't aware that any operator of the A330 had nine-abreast; I've only heard of eight-abreast on that plane. As for the narrowbodies, it depends. Southwest is 17.8" only on the 737 MAX; their 737-700 and 737-800 aircraft are 17". To my knowledge, the only 19" in regular economy is the A220, which is one of the reasons why the A220 has become my favorite narrowbody aircraft. Are any of the planes with 16.5" "regular" narrowbodies, as opposed to regional jets? The regionals sure are cramped, no question about it.
Currently 10 airlines run at least some A330s with 9 across - very tight and more than a few are running the newer planes with an extra seat across - there definitely is some reduction in width happening but the focus of the FAA study is emergency evacuation and primarily looking at pitch although narrower seats mean more going through the exits so is related. Some seats with the trays in the armrest are 16.5" - most seats are 17" minimum in the narrow bodies but these narrow seats do exist - and without space under the arm, hip width is reduced even more.
Many Premium Economy seats are the same as regular economy seats, but with more pitch. They are not exactly what he describes.
Right, and both seat pitch and width are issues for safety. Pitch matters for actually getting in and out of the row. If you actually squished into the seat itself because it’s too narrow, that’s still going to compromise the ability to evacuate.
According to that other thread, United is already blocking off 5-6 seats during the holiday season due to the likelihood of being overweight with everyone coming on with their winter gear. It seems like that was actually based on average weight BEFORE the pandemic, so it’s likely to be even worse now. It would seem like there is actually a limit to how many people you can squeeze on a plane and we’ve reached it. The most desirable option would just be to remove a row or two, which would help with the seat pitch problem.
Many Premium Economy seats are the same as regular economy seats, but with more pitch. They are not exactly what he describes.
Hence my caveat "on international flights". Premium Economy is not offered on most domestic flights. Maybe they should.
What you're describing is Economy Plus (UA), Main Cabin Extra (AA), or Comfort+ (DL) which is not a Premium Economy product. At least on United and American, the Premium Economy seats are sold as Economy Plus/Main Cabin Extra if an aircraft equipped with it is operating a domestic flight where Premium Economy isn't offered. Domestic First Class has about the same dimensions as International Premium Economy.
Its interesting that smaller jets seems to have much more room for people inside. Embraer jets seem to have the most room inside of any plane I been on as will as small prop planes the aisle is almost twice as wide and seats are wider and have more pitch as well just like most larger planes in the old days. The only thing it doesn't shine on is overhead bin space for carryons but thats only due to the lower height of the fuselage.
Its interesting that smaller jets seems to have much more room for people inside. Embraer jets seem to have the most room inside of any plane I been on as will as small prop planes the aisle is almost twice as wide and seats are wider and have more pitch as well just like most larger planes in the old days. The only thing it doesn't shine on is overhead bin space for carryons but thats only due to the lower height of the fuselage.
This certainly wasn't my experience on the CRJ-200. Talk about cramped! I do agree that the E-170 is probably the best regional airliner out there.
Its interesting that smaller jets seems to have much more room for people inside. Embraer jets seem to have the most room inside of any plane I been on as will as small prop planes the aisle is almost twice as wide and seats are wider and have more pitch as well just like most larger planes in the old days. The only thing it doesn't shine on is overhead bin space for carryons but thats only due to the lower height of the fuselage.
Is that the plane Horizon air uses? Try getting into the bathroom. If you have large feet and/or are quite overweight-good luck!
I'm the former. It's real tight quarters in there.
I believe the seat legroom is identical to the Alaska airlines jets in standard class. Not sure though.
Is that the plane Horizon air uses? Try getting into the bathroom. If you have large feet and/or are quite overweight-good luck!
I'm the former. It's real tight quarters in there.
I believe the seat legroom is identical to the Alaska airlines jets in standard class. Not sure though.
Horizon Air uses the Q400. Personally, I like them; they might be the most comfortable propeller plane out there. I haven't used the bathroom on one, so I can't comment on that. But I've used the loos on Southwest's 737-700 planes, and that sure is a tight fit. I'm not a small person, but I'm not the biggest person out there either. I honestly don't know how people larger than myself can even fit inside those horrible claustrophobia bins.
Hence my caveat "on international flights". Premium Economy is not offered on most domestic flights. Maybe they should.
What you're describing is Economy Plus (UA), Main Cabin Extra (AA), or Comfort+ (DL) which is not a Premium Economy product. At least on United and American, the Premium Economy seats are sold as Economy Plus/Main Cabin Extra if an aircraft equipped with it is operating a domestic flight where Premium Economy isn't offered. Domestic First Class has about the same dimensions as International Premium Economy.
I see. Thank you for pointing that out. I think you are correct.
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