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Old 12-19-2022, 09:11 AM
 
Location: Texas Hill Country
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Ie, this bird:
http://heli-air.net/img/3132/image580.jpg and say search by image IS NOT an option.

Now, I went into the picture search with "winged helicopter" and did eventually come across 2 entries, further down the page.

But just curious of how we can "discover" what aircraft are by what we tell the computer in the search slot. Is there a nomenclature type approach..........like when Curt J. is describing the escort chasing him to his XO who is looking it up in a book in "The Enemy Below"?
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Old 12-19-2022, 10:39 AM
 
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Probably for something like that, a search for experimental or prototype helicopter would be best.
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Old 12-19-2022, 11:35 AM
 
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Probably for something like that, a search for experimental or prototype helicopter would be best.
It is a good approach except......you've never seen it before, so how do you know it is experimental? Or is that just an assumption to base a working theory on?
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Old 12-20-2022, 03:25 AM
 
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I would be fairly certain it was some prototype Army attack helo, that lost out in a design competition. I started with Googling, "Army helicopter with wings". Turns out it gives pictures of numerous different helo types with wings. Including the identical pic to the one given in this thread.

The latest helo with wings is the Bell 360 Invictus:

https://youtu.be/8lYeVUQoNUw
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Old 12-20-2022, 08:12 AM
 
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It is a good approach except......you've never seen it before, so how do you know it is experimental? Or is that just an assumption to base a working theory on?
The alternative question is - how many one-offs do you know of that aren't experimental?

I think the poster is saying it's a good start to assume its experimental. Like you said, you don't know what it is, so you just keep adding "tags" to try to narrow it down.
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Old 12-20-2022, 10:32 AM
 
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The alternative question is - how many one-offs do you know of that aren't experimental?

I think the poster is saying it's a good start to assume its experimental. Like you said, you don't know what it is, so you just keep adding "tags" to try to narrow it down.
It is a decent line of thought of, "never seen it before, let's assume it is experimental" (whether we know it or not). Just like the MiG, the Faithless. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan-Gurevich_23-01 Before the Internet, for an aircraft I had seen described in the early 70s, it took forever to find it again, in part because it had been called a MiG-23.
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Old 12-22-2022, 04:27 PM
 
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The way contracts are awarded by the DoD, facilitates that there are many aircraft designs that have resulted in a single prototype being produced. Contrast this to the civilian side, where an order book of sufficient quantity is obtained, before the first aircraft is produced.

A part of Navy Air Traffic Control School, involves aircraft identity. In my time, the testing was done with a projector and a slide show. One of the instructors was a prankster, and was known to compile a group of these one off designs, and create a faux test to intimidate students. Most effective on April Fools Day.

Even the most ardent of aviation enthusiasts, will be stumped by the majority of these designs. Me included.
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Old 12-23-2022, 04:04 AM
 
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The way contracts are awarded by the DoD, facilitates that there are many aircraft designs that have resulted in a single prototype being produced. Contrast this to the civilian side, where an order book of sufficient quantity is obtained, before the first aircraft is produced.

A part of Navy Air Traffic Control School, involves aircraft identity. In my time, the testing was done with a projector and a slide show. One of the instructors was a prankster, and was known to compile a group of these one off designs, and create a faux test to intimidate students. Most effective on April Fools Day.

Even the most ardent of aviation enthusiasts, will be stumped by the majority of these designs. Me included.
I might have been that kind of instructor....but I was never one......when I teased the amateur crowd with the Tu-14 Bosun and naturally, as expected, they picked it up as the Il-28 Beagle.
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Old 12-24-2022, 05:22 PM
 
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I might have been that kind of instructor....but I was never one......when I teased the amateur crowd with the Tu-14 Bosun and naturally, as expected, they picked it up as the Il-28 Beagle.
Soviet aircraft have always been one of my weaknesses. They all have common design features that are identifiable as a Russian aircraft. Besides, if ever sited in U.S. airspace, we would have had other things to worry about.
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