Is Baltimore an Northeastern city? (Potomac, Clinton: camp, zip code, license plate)

[EddieOlSkool]

Originally Posted by gwillyfromphilly

Richmond infrastructure has more in common with Northern cities than it does with cities in the deep south. Other than that Richmond is quintessentially a southern city. Baltimore on the other hand shares lot of similarities with Northern cities than it does with southern cities. Italians aren't the only ethnicity that exist in the Northeast.

Why always use the Deep South as the goal post? MD is more like VA than it is other Southern states, of course.

What makes Baltimore less Southern than Richmond? What are these similarities Baltimore shares with the Northeast that you can't find in the South??????

[gwillyfromphilly]

Originally Posted by muppethammer26

Why you keep talking about how ethnic groups make a city or state northeastern? You should just place Baltimore and Maryland in the Northeast, wherever it has as much ethnic people as the other northeastern cities and states or not. Just follow the geography.

The problem with some of those posters is that they "live and die" by the Mason-Dixon line. When other posters come along and destroy their argument, they usually resort back to the whole "Italian American" thing as if Northern culture is only Italian culture. If it's not that they usually try and quote some loon or yuppie from a newspaper or article saying things like "Baltimore is the South because it doesn't remind them of New York City or Boston".

[wolf39us]

Originally Posted by gwillyfromphilly

The problem with some of those posters is that they "live and die" by the Mason-Dixon line. When other posters come along and destroy their argument, they usually resort back to the whole "Italian American" thing as if Northern culture is only Italian culture. If it's not that they usually try and quote some loon or yuppie from a newspaper or article saying things like "Baltimore is the South because it doesn't remind them of New York City or Boston".

The same logic is used when someone says Baltimore is not the south because it's not like the deep south.

[EddieOlSkool]

Originally Posted by gwillyfromphilly

The problem with some of those posters is that they "live and die" by the Mason-Dixon line. When other posters come along and destroy their argument, they usually resort back to the whole "Italian American" thing as if Northern culture is only Italian culture. If it's not that they usually try and quote some loon or yuppie from a newspaper or article saying things like "Baltimore is the South because it doesn't remind them of New York City or Boston".

The problem with some of those posters is that they "live and die" by the fact that Baltimore is close to Philly. When other posters come along and destroy their argument, they usually resort back to the whole "it's politically Northern" thing as if Northern culture is only Democrat culture. If it's not that they usually try and quote some loon or yuppie from a newspaper or article saying things like "Baltimore is the North because it doesn't remind them of Savannah or Charleston".

[gwillyfromphilly]

Originally Posted by EddieOlSkool

Why always use the Deep South as the goal post? MD is more like VA than it is other Southern states, of course.

What makes Baltimore less Southern than Richmond? What are these similarities Baltimore shares with the Northeast that you can't find in the South??????

-Much larger Catholic presence

-Long history of ethnic neighborhoods

-Large abundance of rowhouse neighborhoods

-Being a walkable major city

-Superior mass transit

-accent/dialect

-Not being a Confederate state

-Politics(Democrat/liberalism)

[gwillyfromphilly]

Originally Posted by wolf39us

The same logic is used when someone says Baltimore is not the south because it's not like the deep south.

Yeah but Baltimore has more in common with Northern cities than it does with Southern cities. So the deep southerners have a point.

[wolf39us]

Originally Posted by gwillyfromphilly

Yeah but Baltimore has more in common with Northern cities than it does with Southern cities. So the deep southerners have a point.

It's either faulty logic or it's not, you can't have it both ways.

[EddieOlSkool]

Originally Posted by gwillyfromphilly

-Much larger Catholic presence

How is this Northeastern? You find Catholics in Louisiana.

-Long history of ethnic neighborhoods

Just like Louisiana.

-Large abundance of rowhouse neighborhoods

That were there when the city was Southern. Also, row houses are found in Savannah, GA. They are a trait of European Colonialism, not necessarily regional identity.

-Being a walkable major city

The 15 most Walkable Major cities consist of only three Northeastern cities. The rest are in the West, and the Midwest. If you count Baltimore and DC as being Northeastern because of this, it will just be circular reasoning. 3/15 isn't a great case builder for the Northeast being super walkable.

Most Walkable Cities in America - Most Walkable US Cities - Good Housekeeping

-Superior mass transit

Again, only 3 Northeast cities take a spot in such a competition.

Cities With Best Public Transportation Systems - Business Insider

-accent/dialect

You mean the "distinctly Southern character" of Baltimore's accent???

The Mid-Atlantic Dialects

-Not being a Confederate state

Just like Kentucky, another Southern state. They were definitely sympathizers, and contributed to the Southern cause. The fact that MD for a long time offered Confederate Flag license plates is quite telling.

-Politics(Democrat/liberalism)

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. Just look at the last elections.

More than half Maryland's Whites did not vote for Obama. You can't say the name of NY or the New England states.

Besides, even if this WAS the case, do you honestly believe that people like

Al Gore
Bill Clinton
Wendy Davis
Ed Schultz

...are not true Southerners because of their politics? Not that this even makes the case since MD's White population is mostly NOT Democrat.

[EddieOlSkool]

Originally Posted by wolf39us

It's either faulty logic or it's not, you can't have it both ways.

He loves double standards,

[Ball freak]

Originally Posted by gwillyfromphilly

Baltimore isn't an anomaly due to it's location so to try and compare it to New Orleans as if they can be comparable is nonsense. Sorry but your going to have to come up with something better than the Mason-Dixon line as your defense.

Don't waste your time. He's on a mission to downplay everything that makes Baltimore overwhelmingly Northeastern from a modern standpoint so it can be Southern. The mere fact that Philadelphia is the most similar city to Baltimore and DC precludes them from being Southern. He will say Baltimore is Southern even if you break his arms legs and disembowel him. He's a parrot if I ever saw one. Somebody give him a cracker already.