Is Baltimore an Northeastern city? (history, near, between)

[EddieOlSkool]

Originally Posted by tcave360

Tidewater? Who would've thought Baltimore was in southeastern Virginia

What I think is funny is that culturally, most Americans would probably consider the Chesapeake Bay area as Southern culturally. Yet go to the upper arm and suddenly it's Northeastern

[EddieOlSkool]

Originally Posted by GoPhils

Physically, if you divided the country in half, Baltimore would probably fall in the Northern half (maybe just barely).

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[the_curious_urbanist]

Baltimore is in the region, but the city is an embarrassment to the Northeast. It's like the black hole of Bos-Wash.

[EddieOlSkool]

Originally Posted by the_curious_urbanist

Baltimore is in the region, but the city is an embarrassment to the Northeast. It's like the black hole of Bos-Wash.

How did Baltimore magically get transported to the Northeast when previously it was in the South?

[ialmostforgot]

As someone who grew up there, Baltimore is NOT a northeastern city. NE cities are very dense (Boston is about 13K people per square mile, New York 18K), while Baltimore has about 7.6 thousand people per square mile, which is more like Oakland, CA than any eastern city. Also, the original (now disappearing) culture is a strange southern-y culture (not like the deep south, though). Their accents have qualities unlike the NE (rhotic, not even Midland) and the weather there is warmer, with 17 weeks of more than eighty degree temperatures and temperatures that are usually 8-11 degrees warmer than a place like Islip, NY or Boston (Nantucket's July is 16 degrees colder than Baltimore's!). Also many people erroneously think it is a rust belt city like places on the great lakes (Rochester, Detroit &c.) when it is just a port city that had urban decay caused by suburbs and white flight instead of by loss of manufacturing jobs (there was also less decay here than cities like Detroit).

[ialmostforgot]

Originally Posted by EddieOlSkool

What I think is funny is that culturally, most Americans would probably consider the Chesapeake Bay area as Southern culturally. Yet go to the upper arm and suddenly it's Northeastern

I think "The Wire" made Baltimore look more like NE cities to people who don't know the area well at all. Maryland definitely has a lot of tidewater areas, but I would not say Baltimore is one.

Also some think the map is not "balanced" enough unless MD and VA are put in the northeast. The South should be split up into 2-3 subregions due to Virginia culture and Georgia culture being quite different.

[EddieOlSkool]

Originally Posted by ialmostforgot

I think "The Wire" made Baltimore look more like NE cities to people who don't know the area well at all. Maryland definitely has a lot of tidewater areas, but I would not say Baltimore is one.

Also some think the map is not "balanced" enough unless MD and VA are put in the northeast. The South should be split up into 2-3 subregions due to Virginia culture and Georgia culture being quite different.

Well, if people want to add MD to the Northeast, they should realize that doing so will in fact unbalance the map due to the fact Maryland is PHYSICALLY LOCATED in the Southern half of the country. Even the Mason Dixon line is further South than perfect "middle" causing a portion of Southern Pennsylvania to be located in the "lower half" of the country.

It only looks unbalanced when maps not to scale are used. Some poorly drawn maps make it look as if Maryland was as far north as Chicago for cryin out loud. Some people even think Baltimore is a really snowy city because of its "Northern placement".

[tcave360]

Originally Posted by ialmostforgot

I think "The Wire" made Baltimore look more like NE cities to people who don't know the area well at all. Maryland definitely has a lot of tidewater areas, but I would not say Baltimore is one.

Also some think the map is not "balanced" enough unless MD and VA are put in the northeast. The South should be split up into 2-3 subregions due to Virginia culture and Georgia culture being quite different.

The South is already split between a couple of subregions. It's Upper South (Coastal and Inland*), Deep South, and maybe East and South Texas. *The Upper Inland South is essentially where the Upper South borders with the Lower Midwest.

Baltimore and Maryland in general honestly is demographically, lingusitically, architecturally, culturally, and topographically a distinct mixture of Lower Northeastern (think Delaware, Pennsylvania, New Jersey) and Upper Coastal Southern (think Virginia and North Carolina) as well as Appalachian (West Virginia) to me. Both Bmore and Maryland definitely pick up the best and worst of both regions lol.

[EddieOlSkool]

Originally Posted by tcave360

The South is already split between a couple of subregions. It's Upper South (Coastal and Inland*), Deep South, and maybe East and South Texas. *The Upper Inland South is essentially where the Upper South borders with the Lower Midwest.

Baltimore and Maryland in general honestly is demographically, lingusitically, architecturally, culturally, and topographically a distinct mixture of Lower Northeastern (think Delaware, Pennsylvania, New Jersey) and Upper Coastal Southern (think Virginia and North Carolina) as well as Appalachian (West Virginia) to me. Both Bmore and Maryland definitely pick up the best and worst of both regions lol.

You sum up Maryland quite well. It's kind of like how Kentucky takes on Northern traits near Louisville and more Appalachia type characteristics the closer the Virginias are.

[U146]

Originally Posted by EddieOlSkool

You sum up Maryland quite well. It's kind of like how Kentucky takes on Northern traits near Louisville and more Appalachia type characteristics the closer the Virginias are.

Kentucky doesn't have Northern influences near Louisville: Louisville is a Southern city with Midwestern influences. Maryland today is Northeastern with Southern influences and is completely Southern in Southern Maryland and the Eastern Shore.