Honestly, what's "charming" about Baltimore??! (White Marsh, Mount Vernon: restaurants, architecture)

[P47P47]

Originally Posted by Infinite_heights77

I know a plenty of savage acting whites in Baltimore. I consider John Waters..KING SAVAGE of decadence in Baltimore. And the worst thing, his decadence is paraded throughout this planet at high art. GTFOH!!!!!

No doubt, most of those shootings in the past few weeks have been perpetrated by fans of John Waters' movies. I'm sure that repeated viewings of "Hairspray" have provoked many a murderous frenzy.

[Infinite_heights77]

Yeah, it was a corny statement, but that is my perspective of Waters' and his work. His feces eating trannie movies are some of the most ___________ (fill in the blank). That is a topic for another discussion

Naw, I blame David Simon and Rafael A. for creating The Wire, airing out some of Baltimore's filthy laundry. The Wire, to some nefarious tough guys in this city, this series was like Goodfellas or New Jack City to them. Some want to imitate these characters because it gives them a sense of power and prestige on the streets. Sorry, but that is just the way it is. Images are real and convey power to the perceived powerless.

Originally Posted by P47P47

No doubt, most of those shootings in the past few weeks have been perpetrated by fans of John Waters' movies. I'm sure that repeated viewings of "Hairspray" have provoked many a murderous frenzy.

[Devout Urbanist]

Originally Posted by bowian

On a more serious note, the dysfunction and shenanigans of quite a few tarnish the reputation of the whole city...

To be honest, should we really care about the color of these dysfunctional types? A problem is a problem is a problem. What is the solution?

Hooray for common sense. Can't say I know the whole solution, but surely part of it starts with conceiving of crime as crime, not black crime or (not that you ever hear this phrase) white crime. When you see people as individuals, human beings, who make decisions based on a number of variables you can develop solutions that respond to specific conditions rather than perceived biological and cultural differences.

I should also add that I too visited Baltimore recently and had a great time. The Walters is first rate. Mt. Vernon, Fells Point, Fed Hill, and Ridgley's Delight are beautiful. The city has a lot of character and I look forward to exploring it more. All cities have their problems. My trip to Baltimore made me realize that it is definitely a viable city and there is so much more to it than what you see in the mainstream media.

[Calvert Hall '62]

Originally Posted by jrh0341

As for the drug trade, drive around Baltimore. You can observe PLENTY of whites whom you can tell are engaged in the drug trade, both suppliers and consumers.

Just saying, once you get into a poor, crime ridden area, race is irrelevant.

Yeah, whites can drug with the worst of them, uh, but what % of murders are committed by whites?

[P47P47]

Originally Posted by Calvert Hall '62

Yeah, whites can drug with the worst of them, uh, but what % of murders are committed by whites?

I don't know, but I'd bet that a substantial number of them occur after midnight showings of "Polyester".

Those "Odorama" fumes can sully the brain.

[jrh0341]

Originally Posted by Calvert Hall '62

Yeah, whites can drug with the worst of them, uh, but what % of murders are committed by whites?

Nationally, almost half.
FBI — Table 43

About 2/3 of Larceny, Aggravated assault, rape, burglary, etc. More than that for arson, other sex offenses and a few other things.

Now, since blacks are about on par with whites for murder and robbery (as judged by arrest numbers) but account for a much smaller percentage of the population one would ALMOST be able to suggest that blacks are thus more criminal than whites (not anyone reasonable, so much as someone who hoped to push that point, being an ignorant racist), however there are some other important variables to consider.

First, blacks have a higher concentration in urban areas. So, is it the blacks making the cities crime ridden, OR is it the urban living influencing the black population? OR are the two related, but not in a causal relationship?
Well, urban crime is an issue in other countries without large minority urban populations too. UK for example.

Here is yet another study that shows that poverty breeds crime regardless of race

nf/poverty & crime/FEBRUARY

The ongoing social problem of poor occupants of congested urban areas having high crime rates is not a reflection of race. The question is WHY are so many minorities concentrated in poor urban areas? That's actually product of late American history, and one follows the exact same pattern of earlier racial demographics. (This EXACT same conversation could be applied to early Italian immigrants, early Irish immigrants, etc.)

[Infinite_heights77]

Why are you posting this?

Originally Posted by jrh0341

Nationally, almost half.
FBI — Table 43

About 2/3 of Larceny, Aggravated assault, rape, burglary, etc. More than that for arson, other sex offenses and a few other things.

Now, since blacks are about on par with whites for murder and robbery (as judged by arrest numbers) but account for a much smaller percentage of the population one would ALMOST be able to suggest that blacks are thus more criminal than whites (not anyone reasonable, so much as someone who hoped to push that point, being an ignorant racist), however there are some other important variables to consider.

First, blacks have a higher concentration in urban areas. So, is it the blacks making the cities crime ridden, OR is it the urban living influencing the black population? OR are the two related, but not in a causal relationship?
Well, urban crime is an issue in other countries without large minority urban populations too. UK for example.

Here is yet another study that shows that poverty breeds crime regardless of race

nf/poverty & crime/FEBRUARY

The ongoing social problem of poor occupants of congested urban areas having high crime rates is not a reflection of race. The question is WHY are so many minorities concentrated in poor urban areas? That's actually product of late American history, and one follows the exact same pattern of earlier racial demographics. (This EXACT same conversation could be applied to early Italian immigrants, early Irish immigrants, etc.)

[mrboltonman]

That post quoted above is a long debate about the history of this country and race.

[jrh0341]

Originally Posted by Infinite_heights77

Why are you posting this?

Calvert went on about some garbage about blacks being the problem with drugs and crime, blah blah, to which I replied that there are plenty of whites committing crimes and getting involved drugs and crime in Baltimore too.

He then replied asking what % of whites were out murdering people, to which I posted the above.

I probably shouldn't have gotten sucked in, but I went about making the point that social conditions have a hell of a lot more to do with crime than pigmentation.

[mcleanexec]

Originally Posted by jrh0341

Nationally, almost half.
FBI — Table 43

About 2/3 of Larceny, Aggravated assault, rape, burglary, etc. More than that for arson, other sex offenses and a few other things.

Now, since blacks are about on par with whites for murder and robbery (as judged by arrest numbers) but account for a much smaller percentage of the population one would ALMOST be able to suggest that blacks are thus more criminal than whites (not anyone reasonable, so much as someone who hoped to push that point, being an ignorant racist), however there are some other important variables to consider.

First, blacks have a higher concentration in urban areas. So, is it the blacks making the cities crime ridden, OR is it the urban living influencing the black population? OR are the two related, but not in a causal relationship?
Well, urban crime is an issue in other countries without large minority urban populations too. UK for example.

Here is yet another study that shows that poverty breeds crime regardless of race

nf/poverty & crime/FEBRUARY

The ongoing social problem of poor occupants of congested urban areas having high crime rates is not a reflection of race. The question is WHY are so many minorities concentrated in poor urban areas? That's actually product of late American history, and one follows the exact same pattern of earlier racial demographics. (This EXACT same conversation could be applied to early Italian immigrants, early Irish immigrants, etc.)

If we are talking about DC, PG County and Bmore; the percentage of murders/assaults by whites is very low. Sorry, its true. What does the UK have to do with the thugs in DC/MD? Does that make you feel better?

And the tweaker whites in baltimore who are arrested are arrested breaking into a car, not jumping you and taking you wallet with 5 of his homeys.