Baltimore Population Loss Study (North Beach: 2014, crime, high school)

[EdwardA]

Originally Posted by bufflove

Is there any information on who is leaving the city? If job growth and home value growth are still intact then we're likely talking about the continued population decline in impoverished areas of the city. Which would make sense considering the ongoing spike in violent crime in certain neighborhoods.

From a practical point of view, that certainly isn't all bad news for the city. While, in an ideal world, Baltimore's poor would be pulled into the middle class and these neighborhoods would stabilize and revitalize, them emptying out and their populations moving to other states is better than the status quo - from Baltimore's and the state's perspective. If the city's added 4,000 yuppies earning $60K+/year (and drawing on few public resources) and lost 10,000 impoverished families then simply saying "the city lost 6,000 residents! It's getting worse!" isn't telling anywhere near the whole story.

Good point there's been some push back on these numbers as people note home sales appear strong & post office reports a 1% in undeliverable mail. This implies fewer vacant homes. It's quite possible poorer blacks are using voucher or other means to move to the county while those with means move in.

[North Beach Person]

Originally Posted by pappjohn

This is all I ever said, so you agree. There is no misleading.

The gov't is making payment to the landlord in section8, it's taxpayers (usually homeowners) that are indirectly paying, as the gov't uses money from taxpayers. The section 8 renters
don't pay property taxes, although the landlords receive a property tax bill, this is possibly covered by
the gov't payment.

Ie. other taxpayers, homeowners, etc are actually paying those property taxes, in section 8.

Reread what you said. You were unclear.

[KodeBlue]

Originally Posted by DistrictSonic

1. It was the after effects of the riot.
2. It is the crime, by many measures Baltimore right now is as bad as DC was in the 1980s and 1990s.
3. It is a poor city which lacks the significant opportunities of other cities in the Northeast corridor.
4. While many major cities in the Northeast have not been hit by the opioid epidemic, Baltimore has been. Herion is a major problem in Baltimore.

This is a city in decline. What hurts Baltimore is every other major city in the mid-atlantic and Northeast is better positioned. You cannot compete and make yourself a knowledge industry hub because DC and Boston are better educated. NYC casts a long shadow, and Philly is more attractive. It is hard enough for a city to dig itself out, but Baltimore has done a bad job to distinguish itself. It could make itself into a regional sin city, maybe legalizing gambling, prostitution, and pot, but I am not sure even that could fix its problems.

Also in terms of cost, Baltimore is cheap in comparison. The safety issues loom large though.

I don't know which Baltimore you're referring to, but this Baltimore isn't in decline. Also, DC, unlike any other city in the country had the Feds insuring the success of that city, however, there has been a lot of doom and gloom in that city as of late. Baltimore, will be the one of the countries biggest success stories.

[pappjohn]

Baltimore is in decline and the future is bleak, because democrats run the city and it's not
going to change, for the better under them. You will never find the amount of section 8/welfare renting in rural areas of the country, that match Baltimore in number. It's an obvious mess that took years to mess-up..

[bufflove]

Originally Posted by pappjohn

Baltimore is in decline and the future is bleak, because democrats run the city and it's not
going to change, for the better under them. You will never find the amount of section 8/welfare renting in rural areas of the country, that match Baltimore in number. It's an obvious mess that took years to mess-up..

? Effectively all sizeable cities are run by Democrats; that's not a distinguishing characteristic between leading and lagging cities. And if you think rural areas are doing well financially, overall, then you should read more on the subject. I don't follow the Baltimore board closely, so apologies if you're being sarcastic and making some sort of joke that's going over my head.

[EdwardA]

Originally Posted by pappjohn

Baltimore is in decline and the future is bleak, because democrats run the city and it's not
going to change, for the better under them. You will never find the amount of section 8/welfare renting in rural areas of the country, that match Baltimore in number. It's an obvious mess that took years to mess-up..

Well maybe If B-more can foist more of their useless Section 8 population on to the county, things will improve in the city.

[boreatwork]

Originally Posted by KodeBlue

I don't know which Baltimore you're referring to, but this Baltimore isn't in decline. Also, DC, unlike any other city in the country had the Feds insuring the success of that city, however, there has been a lot of doom and gloom in that city as of late. Baltimore, will be the one of the countries biggest success stories.

You really dont like DC huh

[KodeBlue]

Originally Posted by boreatwork

You really dont like DC huh

Not particularly. The people make the place intolerable, especially if you're from Baltimore.

[pappjohn]

Originally Posted by bufflove

? Effectively all sizeable cities are run by Democrats; that's not a distinguishing characteristic between leading and lagging cities. And if you think rural areas are doing well financially, overall, then you should read more on the subject. I don't follow the Baltimore board closely, so apologies if you're being sarcastic and making some sort of joke that's going over my head.

No joking on my part,Baltimore is a mess. ANY day the residents will riot again, as not much has changed in the past year. Gloom, despair aND agony on high. It will only get worse.

[MrRational]

Originally Posted by pappjohn

Gloom, despair aND agony on high. It will only get worse.

What color is the sky in your world?

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