Violence in Baltimore, What Will It Take? (Bethesda, Bowie: crimes, neighborhoods)

[uggabugga]

Originally Posted by EdwardA

One of the worst things in the Dem primary last year was O'Malley apologizing for his handling of crime during his mayoral days. He should have been unapologetic like Bloomberg and Giuliani.

count on marty to apologize for the one thing he got right.

[james777]

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Originally Posted by EdwardA View Post
One of the worst things in the Dem primary last year was O'Malley apologizing for his handling of crime during his mayoral days. He should have been unapologetic like Bloomberg and Giuliani.

Originally Posted by uggabugga

count on marty to apologize for the one thing he got right.

and to not apologize for all of the things he got wrong.

[pappjohn]

O'Malley was a disgrace and I'm glad Hillary and the corrupt DNC rigged the primaries against him.
He wouldn't win in a fair election anyhow.

[Digger 68]

Originally Posted by North Beach Person

And those people moving will take their problems and behaviors out to the suburbs.

Go up the hill on Cranbrook RD.

[steppinthrax]

I think I've mentioned the soln for this. Evict every human in Baltimore city, bulldoze everything. Hire the city planners that did HoCo/Arlington/Bethesda. Then start cherry picking who you let in by charging high rents. In a few years Baltimore City would be up there with DC, NoMa etc..

[seanlax]

Originally Posted by steppinthrax

I think I've mentioned the soln for this. Evict every human in Baltimore city, bulldoze everything. Hire the city planners that did HoCo/Arlington/Bethesda. Then start cherry picking who you let in by charging high rents. In a few years Baltimore City would be up there with DC, NoMa etc..

I bet you would have enjoyed Stalin's Russia.

Getting back to the actual topic at hand, I think some of what is demoralizing to residents is the pace of change they desire. Baltimore decayed fairly quickly. Those who experienced that probably feel it should come back just as fast. I wish that were true, but it is ten times harder to bring a place like Baltimore back than to let it rot further.

[normaldude]

Originally Posted by seanlax

I bet you would have enjoyed Stalin's Russia.

Getting back to the actual topic at hand, I think some of what is demoralizing to residents is the pace of change they desire. Baltimore decayed fairly quickly. Those who experienced that probably feel it should come back just as fast. I wish that were true, but it is ten times harder to bring a place like Baltimore back than to let it rot further.

Just hire Giuliani to clean up Baltimore, and have him rollout the same "Broken Windows Theory" and Compstat tactics. Under the Giuliani police state, NYC murder rates rapidly collapsed. It was a huge change, and it happened immediately. In his very first year, NYC murder rates fell -25%, and just kept plummeting year after year. NYC was completely transformed.

[bufflove]

Originally Posted by normaldude

Just hire Giuliani to clean up Baltimore, and have him rollout the same "Broken Windows Theory" and Compstat tactics. Under the Giuliani police state, NYC murder rates rapidly collapsed. It was a huge change, and it happened immediately. In his very first year, NYC murder rates fell -25%, and just kept plummeting year after year. NYC was completely transformed.

What the. There are still people who think of Giuliani like this? It's long since been shown that crime rates started falling precipitously years before Giuliani took office. And that the 90s plunge in violent crime happened in effectively every major city, not just NYC.

[normaldude]

Originally Posted by normaldude

Just hire Giuliani to clean up Baltimore, and have him rollout the same "Broken Windows Theory" and Compstat tactics. Under the Giuliani police state, NYC murder rates rapidly collapsed. It was a huge change, and it happened immediately. In his very first year, NYC murder rates fell -25%, and just kept plummeting year after year. NYC was completely transformed.

Originally Posted by bufflove

What the. There are still people who think of Giuliani like this? It's long since been shown that crime rates started falling precipitously years before Giuliani took office. And that the 90s plunge in violent crime happened in effectively every major city, not just NYC.

No, murder rates were in slow decline. But in Giuliani's first year, NYC murder rates completely collapsed. After 20 years of the Giuliani police state (Giuliani & Bloomberg), murder rates ended up 1/6th of what they used to be.

Among major US cities, NYC went from having one of the highest murder rates, to having the lowest. No other major US city experienced that kind of dramatic plunge. Other cities might have had declines in murder rates, but NYC raced past them.

I saw the transformation firsthand, and it was incredible. Not only in crime, but in people's daily attitude, trust, anger, aggression levels. Unless you were living in NYC during the Giuliani years, you can't really appreciate how dramatic the change was.

[pappjohn]

One fix is to replace the corrupt democrats running Baltimore with honest ones. That means honest Republicans. Otherwise Baltimore is just destined to be another crime infested, poverty generating dump, like Detroit, Chicago, etc.