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Old 06-10-2011, 08:20 AM
 
Location: Albuquerque, NM
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Bob Melvin is 0-1 as the A's manager, steering the club to a 9-4 loss to Chicago in his debut. Oakland has now dropped 10 straight. Trevor Wilson combined wretched luck (four infield singles) with wretched pitching (three walks and an Adam Dunn homerun) and was chased in the third inning.
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"I felt like my stuff was decent, I just couldn't get anybody out," Cahill said
With FanGraphs' excellent new box scores, we can take a more in depth look at Cahill and see if his statement had much merit.

White Sox » Box Score » Thursday, June 09, 2011 | FanGraphs Baseball

Using Batted Ball FIP, which I've referenced before, we would expect a pitcher who pitched as Cahill did to give up 2.72 runs while inducing 13.12 outs. That'd be an ERA of 5.6. Much better than his actual game ERA of 24.55.

Cahill had a .500 BABIP against in this game and a LOB% of just 57%.

Doesn't look like he pitched nearly as poorly as his outcomes would suggest
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Old 06-10-2011, 10:25 PM
 
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Bob Melvin lost his victory virginity as the A's manager, and Oakland ended a ten game skid by beating Chicago 7-5. The A's erupted for an uncharacteristic 13 hits, the decisive blows coming in the top of the 9th when Sergio Santos needed 38 pitches to surrender two hits, three walks and four runs in two thirds of an inning pitched.

Santos has been like the little girl with the little curl....when good, (22 of his 25 appearances without surrendering any runs,) he has been very, very good, and when bad (three appearances, three innings pitched, 10 hits, 6 walks and 11 earned runs)..he has been horrid.

Of those three bad outings, two of them were his last two outings.
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Old 06-11-2011, 10:23 PM
 
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Interesting article written regarding Geren and Beane: Geren earned firing; Beane deserves blame | PressDemocrat.com
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Old 06-12-2011, 08:38 PM
 
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Year .OBP/.SLG wOBA wRC+

C Suzuki - has been a bit better, about the same
2010: .303/.366 .296 83
2011: .312/.350 .300 90

1B Barton - Has been terrible. Nada in the power department
2010: .393/.405 .359 127
2011: .329/.274 .278 75

2B Ellis - literally half as good with the bat as last year
2010: .358/.381 .326 104
2011: .245/.287 .245 52

3B Kouzmanoff - looks like he might just be a BABIP casualty
2010: .283/.396 .296 83
2011: .252/.353 .274 72

SS Pennington - close to the same guy, just a bit of drop off
2010: .319/.368 .315 97
2011: .312/.342 .288 82

LF Willingham - BB/K 2010=.79 2011=.29. He's striking out a ton and not walking.
2010: .389/.459 .378 134 (with Washington)
2010: .317/.438 .335 114

CF Crisp - walk rate cut in half has killed his OPB
2010: .342/.438 .361 128
2011: .296/.393 .311 98

RF DeJesus - BABIP of .254 in 2011 and .354 in 2010
2010: .384/.443 .363 124 (with KC)
2011: .316/.374 .308 96

DH Matsui - walk rate is half 2010's. BABIP is 60 points lower. ISO is almost half
2010: .361/.459 .356 122 (with LA Angels)
2011: .260/.316 .254 58

In 2010 the A's hit .324/.378 .315 97. The wRC+ of 97 says they were 3% worse than the average offense.
In 2011 the A's are hitting .304/.346 .293 85. The wRC+ of 85 says they are 15% worse than the average offense

I also noticed that in 2010 the A's were the best defensive team in baseball at 35 runs above average. So far this season they have been the second worst fielding team at 15 runs below average.

None of the hitters outside of Suzuki and maybe Willingham have come close to expectations. I'd find this hard to blame on Geren. I don't know how you'd pin the defensive performance on him either.

I don't think the A's players can continue to be this bad all season, there is going to be some regression to the mean that occurs. So, when they start to look better under Melvin don't automatically assume that the manager is the reason.
The thing about hitting is when it goes bad it can stay bad for a long time. Guys start pressing, they start swing at pitches they have no business swing out. You start doubting yourself and if more than one guy is feeling like this it can literally travel through a team like a contagion.


So yea it can stay bad along time.

You can't fire all twenty-five guys. So you fire the manager. Is it fair no, but that's baseball.
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Old 06-14-2011, 09:22 AM
 
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I just saw the A's play here in Chicago. Sorry they still suck. It's not Geren's fault at all. What can you do with a polished turd? The A's have a minor league team on the field. Seizmore? What's a Seizmore? Ziegler? Can he pitch to lefties? Moscoso? Is he a bad joke? Eek. How many errors do they have coming from just pitchers?? LoL the A's pitchers were giving up homerun jacks to Dunn who is literally DONE. I almost felt bad for them. Though I like the fact that they made the Sox look world class (then again this is the case with most teams they face).

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Old 06-15-2011, 07:52 AM
 
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So far Bob Melvin is 1-4 as the A's manager, a .200 winning percentage, (They had been playing .429 ball under Geren.) The club is now 1-13 since May 29th.

They still have the best team ERA in the American League, but remain last in runs scored.

By contrast, across the Bay the Giants have scored the second fewest runs of any team in the NL, their staff ERA is 4th in the NL, yet they are 38-29, the second best record in the NL, while the A's are 28-40.

This is due in part to the fact that SF is playing over its head, their Pythag expected record would be 33-34, the A's are underachieving a bit, their expected record would be 31-37.

So, two clubs actually divided by just 2.5 games in expected records, appear to be light years apart.
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Old 06-15-2011, 08:12 AM
 
Location: Albuquerque, NM
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So far Bob Melvin is 1-4 as the A's manager, a .200 winning percentage, (They had been playing .429 ball under Geren.) The club is now 1-13 since May 29th.

They still have the best team ERA in the American League, but remain last in runs scored.

By contrast, across the Bay the Giants have scored the second fewest runs of any team in the NL, their staff ERA is 4th in the NL, yet they are 38-29, the second best record in the NL, while the A's are 28-40.

This is due in part to the fact that SF is playing over its head, their Pythag expected record would be 33-34, the A's are underachieving a bit, their expected record would be 31-37.

So, two clubs actually divided by just 2.5 games in expected records, appear to be light years apart.
The Oakland A's have the 2nd least (Mariners) WAR produced by position players in the majors with 2.5 (Jose Bautista has 4.8 WAR). It breaks down like:
Batting -36 runs, Baserunning -7 runs, Fielding -13 runs,

The Giants have 5.2 WAR. That's 25th in baseball. Their breakdown:
Batting -38 runs, Baserunning 1.2 runs, Fielding 1.1 runs

The pitching looks like this for Oakland:
56 runs above replacement for the starters, 16 for the relievers = 7.8 WAR. Good for 10th in baseball.

And for the Giants:
73 runs for the starters, 29 for the bullpen = 11.4 WAR, which is tied for 2nd with Atlanta.

Any guesses which staff leads the league in WAR?
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Old 06-21-2011, 10:55 PM
 
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I just saw the A's play here in Chicago. Sorry they still suck. It's not Geren's fault at all. What can you do with a polished turd? The A's have a minor league team on the field. Seizmore? What's a Seizmore? Ziegler? Can he pitch to lefties? Moscoso? Is he a bad joke? Eek. How many errors do they have coming from just pitchers?? LoL the A's pitchers were giving up homerun jacks to Dunn who is literally DONE. I almost felt bad for them. Though I like the fact that they made the Sox look world class (then again this is the case with most teams they face).
As of your post, they've won 6 in a row. Despite the injuries, Melvin has them playing decently well right now.
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