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4 WINNERS!
12.9 hits, 1.9 home runs, 9.6 earned runs, 3.2 walks, 11.6 strike outs, 9.64 ERA
A LOSER!
5.6 hits, 1.1 home runs, 2.3 earned runs, 1.2 walks, 11.3 strike outs, 2.25 ERA
NO LOSSES!
13.5 hits, 2.6 home runs, 10.0 earned runs, 2.6 walks, 7.0 strike outs, 10.02 ERA
NO WINS!
4.7 hits, 0 home runs, 1.2 earned runs, 0 walks, 7.0 strike outs, 1.18 ERA
Thus far in 2011,
Pitchers have accumulated a 76 - 0 record in 249 innings while giving up 373 hits, 72 home runs, 244 earned runs, 82 walks, and 206 strike outs. That's a 8.82 ERA
Pitchers have been stuck with an 0 - 24 record in 163 innings while giving up 109 hits, 5 home runs, 20 earned runs, 32 walks, 145 strike outs. That's a 1.10 ERA
These two sets of pitchers are both 0 - 0
723 innings, 1148 hits, 169 home runs, 298 walks, 508 strike outs, 9.57 ERA
950 innings, 584 hits, 71 home runs, 212 walks, 764 strike outs, 0.67 ERA
Here’s one of my favorite “pitcher wins and losses are stupid” notes yet: Kuroda set career highs in both wins (13) and losses (16) this year, which must of course mean that he had both the best and worst season of his career.
This is not a fair statement. Based on a year or two, I would agree; but over a career, if a guy has 280-300 wins(as an example) it means that he kept his team in the game for a significant amount of them.
I agree Wins and losses aren't that useful to evaluate pitching performance. However your argument is disingenuous and really meaningless. Why didn't you post the ERA totals/OPS against etc for the entire year, or even month to month?
I agree Wins and losses aren't that useful to evaluate pitching performance. However your argument is disingenuous and really meaningless. Why didn't you post the ERA totals/OPS against etc for the entire year, or even month to month?
Did you actually read the posts? All of the statistical information needed to support the hypothesis was provided. What was disingenuous about any of it? The information which you are requesting would be superfluous.
Did you actually read the posts? All of the statistical information needed to support the hypothesis was provided. What was disingenuous about any of it? The information which you are requesting would be superfluous.
The sample size is picked intentionally small(and selectively of course), to prove lack of correlation.
The sample size is picked intentionally small(and selectively of course), to prove lack of correlation.
That doesn't make any sense.
The idea wasn't to prove that there was no relationship between how well someone pitched and the assignments of wins and losses, the idea was to show that frequently that is the case. filhok provided more than 100 examples of unmerited wins and losses, and many more examples of no decisions. He didn't pick any sample size at all, he counted the number of times it took place. And of course it was selective..that was the idea, to single out games which fit the profile of unfairly awarded wins and losses.
Now, granted, if you had only looked at the thread title "Pitcher wins and Losses don't tell you what they think you do", you might have concluded that the author might be trying to argue that wins and losses were always deceptive, but certainly after reading the first few posts you would have caught on that what was being established was "Pitcher wins and Losses Frequently don't tell you what they think you do."
Your responses seem to suggest that you didn't grasp this.
The idea wasn't to prove that there was no relationship between how well someone pitched and the assignments of wins and losses, the idea was to show that frequently that is the case. filhok provided more than 100 examples of unmerited wins and losses, and many more examples of no decisions.
MLB baseball teams played 2430 games. What exactly does the fact that in less than 5% of these cases the W/L record was not indicative of the performance of the pitcher? Since the games were not randomely chosen that would be not much.
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