If Terry Francona was part of the biggest collapse in MLB history, why in the hell would. (pitcher, win)
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What as a yankee fan makes you uniquely qualified to answer this question? I've watched every game in September and francona had PLENTY to do with the sox collapse. If you had watched the games I'd be inclined to think you'd agree.
Yeah, of course he had something to do with the collapse, it's just difficult to quantify how much... But I still think this idea that firing/hiring coaches as frequently as teams do in this era is misguided. I think having one guy there for a long time, through thick and thin has value.
Yeah, of course he had something to do with the collapse, it's just difficult to quantify how much... But I still think this idea that firing/hiring coaches as frequently as teams do in this era is misguided. I think having one guy there for a long time, through thick and thin has value.
A new coach in any sport usually gets a three year commitment. When you win the title you are given another 3 year commitment and a re-evaluation afterwards. Francona won the title in 2007, he was given his 3 year commitment and it was evaluation time for 2011 and after that collapse did you really expect Francona to be extended????????
A new coach in any sport usually gets a three year commitment. When you win the title you are given another 3 year commitment and a re-evaluation afterwards. Francona won the title in 2007, he was given his 3 year commitment and it was evaluation time for 2011 and after that collapse did you really expect Francona to be extended????????
One WS bought Ozzie more time than Franconia got for two. So in your evaluation the only way for a coach to keep his job in the MLB is to win a WS at LEAST every 3 years? Thats laughable in any sport especially in the MLB where the playoffs are a glorified crap shoot.
A new coach in any sport usually gets a three year commitment. When you win the title you are given another 3 year commitment and a re-evaluation afterwards. Francona won the title in 2007, he was given his 3 year commitment and it was evaluation time for 2011 and after that collapse did you really expect Francona to be extended????????
So, in your opinion, the best way to become an elite, championship winning team is to do exactly what
other teams do? That is so brilliant, it is idiotic.
Before determining whether of not Francona is responsible for the collapse, or how much he is responsible, wouldn't it make sense to look at what happened and what it was that fell apart?
The collapse was a failure of run prevention, not run production. For the year, the Boston hitters posted an OPS of .714. In the final 28 days of the season, they posted an OPS of .714. In the final week of the season, when the Sox lost it, they posted an OPS of .775.
In sum, the offense was as good in September as it had been all year, and in the crucial final games, it was slightly better.
The pitching however....Their ERA for the year was 4.18. Their ERA for the last 28 days of the season was 5.74. For the year Boston pitchers struck out 2.25 batters for each hitter that they walked. In the final 28 days that dropped to 1.93 batters whiffed for each one walked. Sox pitchers gave up 1.308 walks and hits per innings pitched for the year. In the last 28 days that rose to 1.498. Wild pitch and balk rates rose slightly in the last 28 days as well.
So...it seems clear that the blame must fall on run prevention. During the collapse, Francona's offense performed just as they had been performing when the club was in firstplace. Francona's pitchers..and to an unidentified degree, his fielders, suddenly ceased performing as well as they had been.
Can that be pinned on Francona? If so, what specifically did he do or not do with the pitching staff in September which was different from his handling of them previously? If he made no changes in his usual practices, then it would seem to be a failure of the pitchers and fielders, not of Francona's leadership....unless of course you have some eoteric theory regarding how Francona's September behavior somehow demoralized his pitchers, while not affecting his hitters.
We all are old enough to know when a organization fails, someone has to suffer the consequences. How was everyone going to still be employed after that September collapse/
One WS bought Ozzie more time than Franconia got for two. So in your evaluation the only way for a coach to keep his job in the MLB is to win a WS at LEAST every 3 years? Thats laughable in any sport especially in the MLB where the playoffs are a glorified crap shoot.
You are so right about the MLB postseason being a crapshoot because no one thought the phillies was going to win the WS in 2008. And that's exactly why a winning baseball team can't be compared to a football team in the same city because both sports are completely different. We have NUTS in this city that wants to know how come the Eagles can't do what the Phillies are doing??
ALso maybe Ozzie didn't lose the way the Red Sox did in September of 2011???
We all are old enough to know when a organization fails, someone has to suffer the consequences. How was everyone going to still be employed after that September collapse/
Why are you bring age up? This is not the relationship forum (thank god). Why is a September collapse worse than losing 90+ games? Because there are managers that survive 90 loss seasons all the time.
We all are old enough to know when a organization fails, someone has to suffer the consequences. How was everyone going to still be employed after that September collapse/
So, once again, you think the way to separate oneself from the pack
is to do just what everyone else has always done.
Why are you bring age up? This is not the relationship forum (thank god). Why is a September collapse worse than losing 90+ games? Because there are managers that survive 90 loss seasons all the time.
Well what managers have survived a 90 loss season? Was it their first or second season? Had they won before that 90 loss season? So are the questions that need to be answered.
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