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Francona should be following Theo to the Cubs. St. Louis never gets the respect that it deserves and needs some big names besides Pujols. As much as he has never managed, he has been a coach even if it is just for hitting. Make Mark McGwire the next manager!!!
Mark McGwire is not a too terribly bright person. Further, he is terrified of public speaking in anything but the most controlled situations. Further he has never managed anywhere, not even in the minors.
So, he isn't qualified for the job and I'm pretty sure he would not want the job. Going from LaRussa to McGwire would be shaving about 30 IQ points from management.
Mark McGwire is not a too terribly bright person. Further, he is terrified of public speaking in anything but the most controlled situations. Further he has never managed anywhere, not even in the minors.
So, he isn't qualified for the job and I'm pretty sure he would not want the job. Going from LaRussa to McGwire would be shaving about 30 IQ points from management.
Lots of guys don't like the public speaking bit and there have been a bunch of times that guys without experience took over and were fine. The fact that steroids wouldn't be the topic would also make it easier. As long as you have a good pitching coach and a decent bench coach, even an idiot would be fine. Also like most jobs there is alot of on-the-job-training. I think he would thrive, he could also regain the respect of many by doing well.
Lots of guys don't like the public speaking bit and there have been a bunch of times that guys without experience took over and were fine. The fact that steroids wouldn't be the topic would also make it easier. As long as you have a good pitching coach and a decent bench coach, even an idiot would be fine. Also like most jobs there is alot of on-the-job-training. I think he would thrive, he could also regain the respect of many by doing well.
Why would anyone hire someone like that? No experience and inability to deal with the media....yeah, that makes more sense than hiring someone with experience and media smarts.
I would be shocked to learn that McGwire is even interested in managing, he is a private man who grew up in family of jocks and is only really comfortable around jocks. He views the media as an enemy, educated wiseacres who only want to expose him as dull and slow witted, guys who hate him because jocks got all the good looking chicks in high school. As a batting coach he gets to be in the game but be fairly invisible. That suits him fine. As a manager he would be be constantly in the public eye and serially second guessed by the media. That would be a nightmare for Mac.
And contrary to your Pollyanna notion that steroids won't be a topic if McGwire was named manager, of course steroid use would be Topic # 1 from the first day.
Which further begs the question...why would you hire someone who not only is inexperienced, who not only is terrified by the media, but also will cause a huge controversy because of his confessed PED use as a player?
Finally, it is not much of an endorsement of McGwire if the person championing his candidacy describes the job as something where "even an idiot would be fine."
Even if an idiot would be fine, that is not a good reason to hire an idiot.
Please, not McGwire. I think he has done a fabulous job as a hitting coach, and I think he is comfortable in that position. But seems to me like the Cardinals are poised to hire someone without managing experience, at least in the majors. They interviewed Mike Matheny last Friday, and seems like he is a fan favorite. Then there is Oquendo, but the reasoning behind hiring him, “to keep Albert” is utterly uninformed. You don’t want your manager to be “buddy buddy” with any of the players, and as much as I like Francona, I think his overfriendly relationship with Pedroia, produced some bad blood in the clubhouse. Now I still think the Cardinals to be manager needs experience in the majors, in a perfect world, it would Joe Maddon, or Mike Scioscia, but none of them seem to be on their list, so I hope they hire Francona.
I just had to delete a post that I rather liked because I think I've figured out what you are trying to say.
I believe that you have concluded that there are two types of managers. One type is perfect and makes the right move, without fail, every time. The other group does not.
This makes no sense except in relation to your own belief that you know everything and have nothing more to learn.
Thanks for the insult, your forte whenever anyone speaks his own mind and it's not parroting yours.
It's easy to figure out what I'm trying to say, unless you're blinded by what you wanted to think I said.
Why would anyone hire someone like that? No experience and inability to deal with the media....yeah, that makes more sense than hiring someone with experience and media smarts.
I would be shocked to learn that McGwire is even interested in managing, he is a private man who grew up in family of jocks and is only really comfortable around jocks. He views the media as an enemy, educated wiseacres who only want to expose him as dull and slow witted, guys who hate him because jocks got all the good looking chicks in high school. As a batting coach he gets to be in the game but be fairly invisible. That suits him fine. As a manager he would be be constantly in the public eye and serially second guessed by the media. That would be a nightmare for Mac.
And contrary to your Pollyanna notion that steroids won't be a topic if McGwire was named manager, of course steroid use would be Topic # 1 from the first day.
Which further begs the question...why would you hire someone who not only is inexperienced, who not only is terrified by the media, but also will cause a huge controversy because of his confessed PED use as a player?
Finally, it is not much of an endorsement of McGwire if the person championing his candidacy describes the job as something where "even an idiot would be fine."
Even if an idiot would be fine, that is not a good reason to hire an idiot.
Everyone regarded Torre as a very good manager but he abused his bullpen during his time with the Yankees (see Scott Proctor). Girardi did the opposite frequently and left starters in way too long. Pollyanna? Everyone knows that the questions about steroids with MM were brought up daily. If for arguments sake he did take over, it would be brought up MAYBE on the first interview but probably never again. That one was so used up. By the way, we also know about Babe Ruth's drinking and Fergie Jenkins coke use but that was brushed aside as well. Personally I don't see him becoming the manager and I don't know if he would want to anyway but I do see him as a guy with potential who loves to rise to the occasion. Maybe they should ask my Yankees about "Tony Pena". The guy was and will eventually be a solid manager once again. I'd take him over Girardi any day. *** Any team though would be lucky to have Francona as well.
I don't mind opposing viewpoints. I welcome them-with a caveat-you must be able to back up your assertion with something substantial.
If one were to claim that Ramiro Pena is going to be the next Ozzie Smith, they should be able to back that assertion up when asked why.
In the spirit of open mindedness, can you provide any evidence that some managers are acting optimally in all strategic situations?
Ramiro Pena is an excellent fielder with very good range and a few years ago he showed sings of being able to hit,but in my opinion his hitting has gotten worse and I eventually see him being traded away or leaving via free agency. He is definitely not a guy who should be mentioned in the same sentence as OS. Unfortunately for him Nunez's bat looks good and they are willing to work with him on his fielding.
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