Official Houston Astros Thread (golf, playoffs, games, manager)
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I read the linked article. A lot of it is Keuchel talking in circles and not really saying anything. For example:
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"It just happened to come out with the Astros," Keuchel said. "Did pitchers benefit from any of that? Not really. At the same time we may have had a few runs more per game
He says the pitchers didn't really benefit from it, followed immediately by naming the benefit which they received.
And what is he talking about with the "multiple signs" business?
Keuchel is a guy who won a Cy Young Award and wasn't helped by sign stealing, yet his reputation is tied with that of the teams he played for. Now he's somewhere else, and it's not like he can ignore the reality.
If sign stealing helped batters to get more hits and runs, then he was likely helped by the sign stealing in terms of W-L record.
If sign stealing helped batters to get more hits and runs, then he was likely helped by the sign stealing in terms of W-L record.
Well, yeah, he did average better than five runs support over the 2017 season.
Keuchel didn't lose a decision that year until August, though, and in only four of his road starts all year did the opposing home team score more than two runs. Cheating your way to that kind of record is going to take more than cameras and trash cans. Three of his five losses on the season were at home.
Well, yeah, he did average better than five runs support over the 2017 season.
Keuchel didn't lose a decision that year until August, though, and in only four of his road starts all year did the opposing home team score more than two runs. Cheating your way to that kind of record is going to take more than cameras and trash cans. Three of his five losses on the season were at home.
I wasn't suggesting that Keuchel was an average pitcher who looked great because of cheating. He was a great pitcher, period. The question is whether he was helped by it. Although I'm not sure W-L matters all that much to pitchers personally or in contract negotiations.
I read the linked article. A lot of it is Keuchel talking in circles and not really saying anything. For example:
He says the pitchers didn't really benefit from it, followed immediately by naming the benefit which they received.
And what is he talking about with the "multiple signs" business?
I believe what he is saying with the multiple sign language is that putting down multiple signs even when there is nobody on second base is a strategy to deal with electronic sign stealing and that teams wouldn't be doing that under normal circumstance unless there was an opposing runner on second.
He does contradict himself by saying, "there may have been a few more runs scored", but if the opposing team is also stealing signs (and perhaps they were better at it) then there is no benefit.
I believe what he is saying with the multiple sign language is that putting down multiple signs even when there is nobody on second base is a strategy to deal with electronic sign stealing and that teams wouldn't be doing that under normal circumstance unless there was an opposing runner on second.
That is what I thought he meant...and it makes no sense in the context presented. Teams taking measures to prevent their signs from being stolen in no manner excuses the electronic sign stealers. For some unfathomable reason, Keuchel seems to think that it does.
That is what I thought he meant...and it makes no sense in the context presented. Teams taking measures to prevent their signs from being stolen in no manner excuses the electronic sign stealers. For some unfathomable reason, Keuchel seems to think that it does.
No it doesn't excuse the behavior. I think he's saying it's evidence that it is more rampant than what the outrage Against the Astro's would suggest. In other words why slam the Astros so hard when everybody (inside baseball) knows it's a widespread phenomenon ?
No it doesn't excuse the behavior. I think he's saying it's evidence that it is more rampant than what the outrage Against the Astro's would suggest. In other words why slam the Astros so hard when everybody (inside baseball) knows it's a widespread phenomenon ?
Teams taking precautions against having their signs stolen is evidence of widespread sign stealing?
I don't think so. It is evidence that teams do not wish to have their signs stolen.
Here they are, loudly banging the can in the dugout tunnel in a half-empty stadium, which is half empty because this game didn't matter. Seriously, The Astros were playoff bound and the White Sox were shopping for new golf clubs.
We would roast the **** out of this behavior if it were anyone else, ourselves. Especially if it was a team that beat the Astros in the playoffs.
We know the Nats probably weren't stealing signs, because they lost all their games at home. So it's definitely not everybody.
Oh, then there's stuff like this. The jokes really write themselves when Justin Verlander is at the podium in front of the BBWAA writers who are cannily voting on his Hall of Fame candidacy in a few years, is referring to his team as "technologically and analytically advanced." It's either being somewhere between Peter Griffin and Donald Trump on the thickheadedness scale, or it's gloating. One or the other.
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