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Old 10-28-2017, 03:55 PM
 
Location: Southern California
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Los Angeles outscored their opponents by 190 runs and won 104 games. The Astros outscored their opponents by 196 runs and won 101 games.

It required 162 games to establish that there is very little difference between these teams in terms of talent and performance, a seven game series is not sufficient for the tiny differences to have any impact on designating a favorite.

And while the players like us to think that they win because of some superior character or virtue, in truth a series such as this is ultimately determined by random luck. The ball bounces an inch this way rather than that, a team gets away with a bad call from an umpire, someone slips in the outfield while pursuing a flyball, someone hits one out with the bases full rather than empty...none of that has anything to do with mental toughness. That both teams are mentally tough has already been established by their regular season records...now it is a matter of who gets the breaks.

Please do not interpret this as any sort of knock on either team. I'm a Giants fan and I have no problem admitting that their three WS wins this decade have been the product of good fortune at the right times.
Although I don't dispute that luck is involved in some of these games, mental toughness plays a greater role, primarily in execution like the other poster stated. How does a team respond when they are down one run late in a game? Can a pitcher hold a one run lead in the ninth? It's being able to handle adversity, pressure on the big stage and executing. That to me that is mental toughness.
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Old 10-28-2017, 05:21 PM
 
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Well, yes it is. Are you suggesting that batters have the ability to hit a ball to a precise spot?
Well they often would have the ability to hit if further if their swing was better. Surely you understand the simple concept no? Additionally hitters do have he ability to hit directionally if executed properly. You know runners on 2nd and 3rd and a right hander shoots it to he right side?
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Old 10-28-2017, 05:36 PM
 
Location: Parts Unknown, Northern California
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Well they often would have the ability to hit if further if their swing was better. Surely you understand the simple concept no? Additionally hitters do have he ability to hit directionally if executed properly. You know runners on 2nd and 3rd and a right hander shoots it to he right side?
You are changing the premise. We were talking about a matter of inches, the difference between a hit and an out. No one has the ability to hit to a precise spot, do they?

And if batters really could control the direction of their batted balls, all defensive shifts would be rendered useless. If batters could control the direction of a batted ball, all line drives would find the gaps between the outfielders, all groundballs would find holes. All bunts would roll slowly up the foulines.

Since they clearly don't, there is no basis at all for claiming such batter control.
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Old 10-28-2017, 06:21 PM
 
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You are changing the premise. We were talking about a matter of inches, the difference between a hit and an out. No one has the ability to hit to a precise spot, do they?

And if batters really could control the direction of their batted balls, all defensive shifts would be rendered useless. If batters could control the direction of a batted ball, all line drives would find the gaps between the outfielders, all groundballs would find holes. All bunts would roll slowly up the foulines.

Since they clearly don't, there is no basis at all for claiming such batter control.
With proper execution a batter can hit a ball a foot further. Batters do have the ability to hit the ball directionally if they execute, a pitcher if executing properly makes this much harder. The shift plays towards a batters tendencies and the pitcher'sexecution

Take Jose Altuve for instance, at batting practice if you asked him to paint either the right or left field foul line you'd be surprised how close he would get with high frequency.

To pretend that everything decided by luck is absurd. There is skill and execution that goes into it and failure to execute isn't 100% luck just the same as executing isn't 100% luck

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Old 10-28-2017, 06:45 PM
 
Location: Lyon, France, Whidbey Island WA
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I feel sorry for any team that has to endure Puig. What a dumb player.
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Old 10-28-2017, 08:17 PM
 
Location: Parts Unknown, Northern California
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With proper execution a batter can hit a ball a foot further. Batters do have the ability to hit the ball directionally if they execute, a pitcher if executing properly makes this much harder. The shift plays towards a batters tendencies and the pitcher'sexecution

Take Jose Altuve for instance, at batting practice if you asked him to paint either the right or left field foul line you'd be surprised how close he would get with high frequency.

To pretend that everything decided by luck is absurd. There is skill and execution that goes into it and failure to execute isn't 100% luck just the same as executing isn't 100% luck
I have never stated that everything is decided by luck, nor have I pretended that this is the case.

Your assertions are accompanied by no evidence. As I noted, we have a ton of evidence that no such ability exists, we have the evidence of the batters not showing any such control. If they could do it, they would do it and never make an out. When they do make outs, we know that they did not hit it to the defender on purpose, don't we? If they had the ability to direct the ball's trajectory, they aren't using it for some reason at least two thirds of the time.

"With proper execution" is saying nothing. We can assign all success to proper execution and all failure to improper execution, but that tells us nothing about why the execution was proper sometimes and improper others.

Telling me what Altuve could do in batting practice isn't evidence of anything when A) You are just making this up and B) Even if it was true, that is batting practice where the pitches are served up straight over the plate at 3/4 speed. Batters blast home run after home run in batting practice, but they can't duplicate the frequency in a game.


Please, if you respond, no more assertions of things you decide are true because you want them to be true.
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Old 10-28-2017, 09:01 PM
 
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Your assertion is that this World Series is ultimately determined by luck and you have zero evidence of that either as you've entirely fabricated it and use your opinion as fact.

If Altuve can paint lines in BP it is a skill and execution issue during a game because it is harder. BP hr are easier during BP than game time but that's skill/execution issue, that's not luck. In terms of your horrible example of a fielder getting to a ball and being lucky it wasn't hit a foot further isn't luck either. A hitter with better execution could avoid getting under said ball, again it's not simply luck. So before you spew the luck bs maybe you shouldn't make the assertions you decide are true because you want it to be
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Old 10-28-2017, 11:51 PM
 
Location: Western Colorado
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Dodgers were great tonight, excellent pitching, shame it wasn't a no hitter but still, great game. Now to win Sunday, take the series back to Dodgers Stadium and beat the Astros.
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Old 10-29-2017, 06:58 AM
 
Location: Parts Unknown, Northern California
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Your assertion is that this World Series is ultimately determined by luck and you have zero evidence of that either as you've entirely fabricated it and use your opinion as fact.

If Altuve can paint lines in BP it is a skill and execution issue during a game because it is harder. BP hr are easier during BP than game time but that's skill/execution issue, that's not luck. In terms of your horrible example of a fielder getting to a ball and being lucky it wasn't hit a foot further isn't luck either. A hitter with better execution could avoid getting under said ball, again it's not simply luck. So before you spew the luck bs maybe you shouldn't make the assertions you decide are true because you want it to be
You understood nothing of what was explained to you and provide us with no reason to suspect that you ever will. Ego is the great enemy of learning.
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Old 10-29-2017, 07:41 AM
 
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You understood nothing of what was explained to you and provide us with no reason to suspect that you ever will. Ego is the great enemy of learning.
Says the person that stated luck is the deciding factor in this series as though it was fact. I saw that I completly understood the lunacy in it.
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