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Old 11-05-2015, 11:57 PM
 
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Can we do away with those shifts? They should be illegal. Can only imagine how many less hits the great ones would've acquired if these shifts were in their day.

A shortstop should only be allowed to shift as far as being parallel with the second base bag, one step over, and it should be illegal. I also hate seeing the second baseman playing shallow right field. An infielder which shifts beyond the depth of being more than five yards away from the infield dirt should also be illegal.

I hate seeing today's greatest hitters getting robbed because these lopsided shifts. It's unfair to punish pull-hitters
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Old 11-06-2015, 03:48 AM
 
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Can we do away with those shifts? They should be illegal. Can only imagine how many less hits the great ones would've acquired if these shifts were in their day.

A shortstop should only be allowed to shift as far as being parallel with the second base bag, one step over, and it should be illegal. I also hate seeing the second baseman playing shallow right field. An infielder which shifts beyond the depth of being more than five yards away from the infield dirt should also be illegal.

I hate seeing today's greatest hitters getting robbed because these lopsided shifts. It's unfair to punish pull-hitters
I was under the impression it started in the 1940's with the Boudreau (Lou) Shift implemented against Ted Williams.
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Old 11-06-2015, 05:41 AM
 
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I rather have the cat who bats on a semi-regular basis than a pitcher who hits once a week.
So you're in favor of benching the bat of a guy (Bumgarner) who hit a HR every 17 PAs and has an OPS of .743 in favor a guy (Adrianza) with 0 HRs, no gap power and an OPS well under .600.

That's basically admitting that the DH is not designed to improve offense, but to allow for another job for a guy who no longer has enough talent to take the field. It goes against the spirit of the DH rule altogether.
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Old 11-06-2015, 06:36 AM
 
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I was under the impression it started in the 1940's with the Boudreau (Lou) Shift implemented against Ted Williams.
You are right. But I don't know if it was as excessive as it is today though.
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Old 11-06-2015, 07:11 AM
 
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So you're in favor of benching the bat of a guy (Bumgarner) who hit a HR every 17 PAs and has an OPS of .743 in favor a guy (Adrianza) with 0 HRs, no gap power and an OPS well under .600.

That's basically admitting that the DH is not designed to improve offense, but to allow for another job for a guy who no longer has enough talent to take the field. It goes against the spirit of the DH rule altogether.
One pitcher who can hit hardly compensates for the majority who cannot.

Besides, even with the DH rule, there would be nothing to prohibit Bumgarner from batting if he is better than anyone the team has on the bench.
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Old 11-06-2015, 08:18 AM
 
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One pitcher who can hit hardly compensates for the majority who cannot.

Besides, even with the DH rule, there would be nothing to prohibit Bumgarner from batting if he is better than anyone the team has on the bench.
Dead on....hey if your pitcher can hit? Let him bat. We don't let goalies try to score goals..we should not let pitchers do something they are not trained to do. I'm an NL fan all the way. But I hate that the league is so damn stubborn.
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Old 11-06-2015, 06:39 PM
 
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One pitcher who can hit hardly compensates for the majority who cannot.

Besides, even with the DH rule, there would be nothing to prohibit Bumgarner from batting if he is better than anyone the team has on the bench.
Sure there is. Once he bats, the Giants lose the DH option.

I cannot think of a single reason the DH couldn't be applied to any player the manager sees fit. Absolutely no valid reason it should be limited to just pitchers.
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Old 11-07-2015, 12:14 AM
 
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Can we do away with those shifts? They should be illegal. Can only imagine how many less hits the great ones would've acquired if these shifts were in their day.

A shortstop should only be allowed to shift as far as being parallel with the second base bag, one step over, and it should be illegal. I also hate seeing the second baseman playing shallow right field. An infielder which shifts beyond the depth of being more than five yards away from the infield dirt should also be illegal.

I hate seeing today's greatest hitters getting robbed because these lopsided shifts. It's unfair to punish pull-hitters
Too bad.

I have no problem with defenses playing the percentages of where the batter is most likely to hit the ball.
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Old 11-09-2015, 07:43 PM
 
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when batters figure out how to hit away from the shift, then fielders won't do it any more. Until then, shift on !
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Old 12-11-2015, 11:19 AM
 
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I like alot of the suggestions.

1- Eliminate the shift
2- Compromise on the DH/Pitcher. Let the home team decide. AL teams might just decide to let pitchers hit in order to take guys like Ortiz or Arod out of the lineup or even make them play the field.
3- schedule. Why stop at 154? I say go down to 120 or even 100. crazy right? If I told you that a new sports league was starting up and they were going to play every day for 45 days straight and 162 games overall, you'd call me crazy. Just because it's always been done doesn't mean it's the best.
4- Fix the payment system for minor leaguers. Guys like Kris Bryant shouldn't have to sit in the minors until an arbitrary date just so teams control them an extra year without having to pay them.
5- I like the pace of play rules and I think it's helped. Anything that keeps the game moving and keeps batters/pitchers engaged in the at-bat is a positive.

2 and 3 have no chance of happening since players and owners would lose money.
4 could happen one day because I can see lawsuits and/or CBA addressing this.
1 could happen. Runs per game were very low this year and if the trend continues, I can see owners looking for ways to improve it.
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