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Old 01-04-2018, 09:36 AM
 
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You realize in that (15 year) time frame the teams with the most Championships are:

Boston Red Sox (3: 2004, 2007, 2013)

San Francisco Giants (2010, 2012, 2014)

St. Louis Cardinals (2006, 2011)

Chicago Cubs (2016)

Chicago White Sox (2005)

Houston Astros (2017)

Kansas City Royals (2015)

Los Angeles/Anaheim Angels (2002)

Miami/Florida Marlins (2003)

New York Yankees (2009)

Philadelphia Phillies (2008)


Your payroll argument doesn't make a difference here.
Maybe not but the Banks still offer the best opportunity. Like i said buying doesn't always work short term but take 100 years of data and I guarantee the team that spends more will get to the WS more. Also, there are now a handfull of teams who will keep up on the spending so Banks have company.
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Old 01-04-2018, 10:28 AM
 
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Maybe not but the Banks still offer the best opportunity. Like i said buying doesn't always work short term but take 100 years of data and I guarantee the team that spends more will get to the WS more. Also, there are now a handfull of teams who will keep up on the spending so Banks have company.
The reality is, if your argument was true, the same team would win every year. Since there has been so much variety in winners, some with multiple, you can't single out one team. Seeing the Royals, Giants and Astros, et al, and some clubs having multiple championships, makes the highest payroll irrelevant. All these teams have different payroll and still won. At the end of the day, it's anyone's game.

Here's a thought. Instead of harping on one team, worry about your own.
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Old 01-04-2018, 01:36 PM
 
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The reality is, if your argument was true, the same team would win every year. Since there has been so much variety in winners, some with multiple, you can't single out one team. Seeing the Royals, Giants and Astros, et al, and some clubs having multiple championships, makes the highest payroll irrelevant. All these teams have different payroll and still won. At the end of the day, it's anyone's game.

Here's a thought. Instead of harping on one team, worry about your own.
As I said..it does NOT work every year by any means. It is anyone's game but let me ask you a question. If given a choice as a fan , would you rather your team spend alot of money on its franchise every year or a little.

A no brainer right.

Also, TV revenue for good teams means more money. More money means better team which means better TV packages which means more money. On and on we go. Look the Banks are playing within the rules..its no issue. Dodgers, Red Sox, Angels, Giants a few others will play along too. Its fine but don't think for a second its a level playing surface.
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Old 01-04-2018, 02:07 PM
 
Location: Miami,FL
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As I said..it does NOT work every year by any means. It is anyone's game but let me ask you a question. If given a choice as a fan , would you rather your team spend alot of money on its franchise every year or a little.

A no brainer right.

Also, TV revenue for good teams means more money. More money means better team which means better TV packages which means more money. On and on we go. Look the Banks are playing within the rules..its no issue. Dodgers, Red Sox, Angels, Giants a few others will play along too. Its fine but don't think for a second its a level playing surface.
More often than not, the large market teams will win. Its going to be a long time before the Royals win again. The Astros only have another year or so before their run is over and they wont be competitive for a while. Thats how baseball is. Small market teams can only compete for awhile until their players hit free agency. The larget market teams like the Yankees and Red Sox can keep their free agents and sign others, thus continuing to compete.

Despite his delievery, jp03 isnt completely wrong
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Old 01-04-2018, 02:11 PM
 
Location: Miami,FL
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You realize in that (15 year) time frame the teams with the most Championships are:

Boston Red Sox (3: 2004, 2007, 2013)

San Francisco Giants (2010, 2012, 2014)


Chicago Cubs (2016)

Chicago White Sox (2005)



Los Angeles/Anaheim Angels (2002)


New York Yankees (2009)

Philadelphia Phillies (2008)


Your payroll argument doesn't make a difference here.
All these are large market teams, at the higher level of the payroll chart. The more money spent, the more competitve or the higher the chance of winning. jp03 delivery may be terrible, but its not completely false
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Old 01-04-2018, 03:29 PM
 
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LOL... so funny, you want to get Yankee fans all defensive, just say they buy their teams.
Not a Yankee fan.
I am a fan of rational discussion, which is why you and I aren't getting along.



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First, I noted that, while the relationship between payroll and wins was very low, the relationship between a franchise’s financial muscle and wins was a bit higher. Last year, the correlation coefficient at this time between Forbes’ franchise valuations and wins was at .29. Still not a very high number, but a number that could indicate that a team’s finances were still playing a role in wins. This year, the relationship is stronger
https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/mone...again-in-2016/
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Old 01-04-2018, 04:27 PM
 
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Not a Yankee fan.
I am a fan of rational discussion, which is why you and I aren't getting along.




https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/mone...again-in-2016/
OK...if you were rational you'd realize that teams that spend tons of money have a better chance of winning. It is NOT rocket science.
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Old 01-04-2018, 05:15 PM
 
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OK...if you were rational you'd realize that teams that spend tons of money have a better chance of winning. It is NOT rocket science.
Why single out one team? The team you harp on hasn't gone anywhere in a decade. Why not pick a more recent and successful franchise?
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Old 01-04-2018, 05:18 PM
 
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As I said..it does NOT work every year by any means. It is anyone's game but let me ask you a question. If given a choice as a fan , would you rather your team spend alot of money on its franchise every year or a little.

A no brainer right.

Also, TV revenue for good teams means more money. More money means better team which means better TV packages which means more money. On and on we go. Look the Banks are playing within the rules..its no issue. Dodgers, Red Sox, Angels, Giants a few others will play along too. Its fine but don't think for a second its a level playing surface.
You can spend a lot of money on the wrong kinds of players. Yankees have done this for years. The mid 2000s come to mind. It's a matter of making smart choices not just by spending.
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Old 01-04-2018, 06:34 PM
 
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You can spend a lot of money on the wrong kinds of players. Yankees have done this for years. The mid 2000s come to mind. It's a matter of making smart choices not just by spending.
BUT AGAIN..if you KEEP spending enough money you will eventually buy that winner. I.E. the NY Bankees of 2009. A completely bought team. Bottom line ..buying does not equate winning..but buying ENOUGH times will.
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