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You got a good player and a great guy. At 31, he may be declining a little, but I expect the new scenery to give him a better outlook. The last two years with all the gutting the ownership did had to wear on him and everyone in the clubhouse..
I have been impressed with how intelligent and articulate McCutchen has been in public interviews and writings. In that sense it should be a pleasure having him around. In terms of how all this fits with what the Giants need to be doing as a team, I'm less enthusiastic.
Please don't take this as gloating, but I think the most one sided trade in their favor that SF ever made was with Pittsburgh. That was when we sent you Armando Rios and Ryan Vogelsong in exchange for Jason Schmidt.
Schmidt went on to have the best part of his career with the Giants:
Pitt: 44-47 4.39 SF: 78-37 3.36
LA: 3-6 6.02
ATL: 5-6 6.45
By coincidence the Giants were playing the Pirates at the time of the trade. In his first game as a Pirate, Rios made an error which contributed to a Giants win. In his second game he attempted to make a sliding catch in the outfield, missed it, allowing a run to score, and busted his ankle, not playing anymore that season. He was lousy when he came back and was released by the Pirates the following year. Schmidt pitched in one of those games and won, giving up one run in 7 innings.
I don't know, what did we get for Bonds? Cutch may not have the stats of Bonds, but most here were happy to see Barry leave. He would only talk to the national press, refused to autograph baseballs for a fundraiser, and a million other a-hole things. Good player, lousy human being. Cutch on the other hand, is a solid citizen, my favorite all time Pirate right behind Clemente, let's make him a 1-A.
I don't know, what did we get for Bonds? Cutch may not have the stats of Bonds, but most here were happy to see Barry leave. He would only talk to the national press, refused to autograph baseballs for a fundraiser, and a million other a-hole things. Good player, lousy human being. Cutch on the other hand, is a solid citizen, my favorite all time Pirate right behind Clemente, let's make him a 1-A.
Bonds came to SF as a free agent. I suppose the Pirates got a compensation pick in the draft, but I've no idea what they did with it.
Bonds came to SF as a free agent. I suppose the Pirates got a compensation pick in the draft, but I've no idea what they did with it.
You're right, long time ago. I just recall Bonds making a lousy throw to home and couldn't throw out Sid Bream coming from first. That started our 20 year under 500 streak. We are 2 years into our next one.
The Giants plan seems to be to radiate the appearance of being competitive in 2018. They won 64 games in 2017 and would need to improve by 25 wins or more to have a shot at the wild card in 2018. Longoria and McCutchen do not constitute a 25 win improvement, more like five or six more wins.
This is a faulty way to look at it.
Last year's performance was last year's performance
If everyone performs in 2018 like they did in 2017 and they added McCutchen and Longoria, you'd be closer to right. But, that's not how it works.
The easiest example is that Bumgarner is probably going to be about twice as good this year
This is a faulty way to look at it.
Last year's performance was last year's performance
If everyone performs in 2018 like they did in 2017 and they added McCutchen and Longoria, you'd be closer to right. But, that's not how it works.
The easiest example is that Bumgarner is probably going to be about twice as good this year
Hey....my statement was confined to the difference that the two players would make, not a projection of the teams total wins. It wasn't a faulty way to look at it, however yours was a faulty way to read it since you are arguing with something which wasn't there.
And hoping that everyone is better in 2018 isn't a plan of any sort, it is a hope.
Hey....my statement was confined to the difference that the two players would make, not a projection of the teams total wins.
That's the problem, though.
You're talking about how many games this year's team needs to make up by looking at a totally different team. Might as well look at 1999.
This year's team isn't competing with last years' and they aren't penalized 25 games because of what happened last year.
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And hoping that everyone is better in 2018 isn't a plan of any sort, it is a hope.
I didn't say anything about hope.
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yours was a faulty way to read it since you are arguing with something which wasn't there.
If they expect this team to be close to the wild card, then these moves make sense.
You're talking about how many games this year's team needs to make up by looking at a totally different team. Might as well look at 1999.
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But it is not a totally different team, it is mostly the same team with a few of the components changed. A totally different team would require replacing the entire roster.
But it is not a totally different team, it is mostly the same team with a few of the components changed. A totally different team would require replacing the entire roster.
Each player is a year older, has a different talent level, etc.
Not one of them will have the same season they had a year ago.
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