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Old 12-22-2018, 10:55 AM
 
Location: Parts Unknown, Northern California
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I thought about the age then when Puig was younger. Maybe he's really older than he was. But Puig was the one guy who came over that I actually thought was the correct age because he just really looked young when he came up. Granted, maybe it was only 1 year difference. I def don't think it was like what we've heard of in the past where a player is really 4-5 years older than described.
They have clamped down in the rest of Latin America, making it more difficult to get away with lying about your age, but Puig came from Cuba where there aren't any baseball officials who cooperate with MLB to keep the players honest. That may change now that relationships have been restored with Cuba.
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Old 12-23-2018, 06:06 AM
 
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Baseball's Hot Stove Has Gone From Cold to Basically Turned Off

"And teams seem to have learned, collectively, to wait out free agents."
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Old 12-23-2018, 11:25 AM
 
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Teams already seemed less interested in giving time on the field to players over the age of 30 — the time frame in which many players first become eligible for free agency. But now, early in the offseason, teams also seem increasingly less willing to spend on any free agent.
This is something which Sabermetrics concluded long ago....that players over 30 command the highest salaries but seldom provide production equal to their pay. The older the player gets, the less likely he is to justify a bloated salary, so long term deals, even with superstars, are money losers.

It is fascinating to watch baseball finally catching up with what the outside analysts uncovered...and made freely available, years and years after it became public knowledge. What is going to suffer as a consequence of MLB going more metric is the free exchange of research discoveries. Many of the metric principles were first published in works such as The Hardball Times and Baseball Prospectus in their annuals. Lately there have been fewer analysis articles and more team comments and data. There is a reason for this, metrics have become propriety, each club has its staff of metric analysis employees and they are instructed not to share their research and results with anyone save the club which pays them. Further, most of the really brilliant and original thinkers who published their findings in those previously mentioned publications, have been hired away and now are propriety employees of individual clubs.

That means that the next wave of advancement in understanding baseball will come to the public's attention only by watching and trying to figure out what the clubs are doing. This means that fans like me are no longer going to be out in front of the changes.
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Old 12-23-2018, 11:35 AM
 
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Baseball's Hot Stove Has Gone From Cold to Basically Turned Off

"And teams seem to have learned, collectively, to wait out free agents."

Good.
It should be easy to see, with so many teams working hard to unload the mistakes of yesteryear. Trades used to be about players; now teams are trading bad contracts: "You take ours; we'll take yours." Productive players like Robinson Cano are considered liabilities rather than assets, and are traded for much less talent than they would be, if teams could focus on building a good team, rather than salaries. Teams keep players on the roster (and on the bench, and on the field and mound) because they are highly paid superstars, and the team suffers because of it.

So, to the young superstars who want their 10+ years: Get those contracts, and in five years you will be seen as liabilities, dragging down your team. The fans will jeer instead of cheer. Oh well, you'll still be rich.

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Old 12-25-2018, 02:15 PM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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Good.
It should be easy to see, with so many teams working hard to unload the mistakes of yesteryear. Trades used to be about players; now teams are trading bad contracts: "You take ours; we'll take yours." Productive players like Robinson Cano are considered liabilities rather than assets, and are traded for much less talent than they would be, if teams could focus on building a good team, rather than salaries. Teams keep players on the roster (and on the bench, and on the field and mound) because they are highly paid superstars, and the team suffers because of it.

So, to the young superstars who want their 10+ years: Get those contracts, and in five years you will be seen as liabilities, dragging down your team. The fans will jeer instead of cheer. Oh well, you'll still be rich.
Cano is treated like a liability because he is a liability. Can't trust him not to use PED's.
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Old 12-25-2018, 11:26 PM
 
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Cano is treated like a liability because he is a liability. Can't trust him not to use PED's.

Can't seem to trust any of them not to use. You never know which players do until they're caught. Any player is a liability using this criterion. Maybe the players who have already been caught are less of a liability, because the risk of using again is too great.


What if we suddenly discovered that Edwin Diaz, Mike Trout, Christian Yelich, Jose Altuve, and Aaron Judge were using PEDs?


If Cano were making ten million/year, the Mariners would have gotten a lot more for him, and they wouldn't have had to use Diaz as bait.
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Old 12-26-2018, 09:15 PM
 
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Is there any sort of penalty for the team that employs a player caught using PED's? They don't have to pay him during the suspension and they reap the rewards of his juiced performance before the bust. Seems like a sweet deal.
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Old 12-26-2018, 11:26 PM
 
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Is there any sort of penalty for the team that employs a player caught using PED's? They don't have to pay him during the suspension and they reap the rewards of his juiced performance before the bust. Seems like a sweet deal.

If he is playing well, the penalty is that they don't have him for 80 days, which can cause a hardship for the team. Also, his trade value is likely to go down. There is no official penalty, though. I doubt that the player lets the team know he is using banned substances, so it would not be fair to the team to penalize them.
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Old 12-28-2018, 11:56 AM
 
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Free-agent slugger Nelson Cruz has agreed to a one-year deal with the Minnesota Twins for $14.3 million, a source confirmed to ESPN on Thursday.
Free agent Nelson Cruz, Minnesota Twins agree to deal

The Twins must hope that whatever Cruz has been doing to beat the PEDs tests, he can continue doing in Minnesota.

To believe Cruz a clean player, one has to accept the same thing we would have had to embrace to believe that Barry Bonds was clean.....that somehow or other, defying all probability, Cruz had the five best seasons of his career starting at age 34 and continuing through age 38. Bonds and Big Papi are the only two other examples of this phenomena, and both were linked to PEDs use. Are we to think that Cruz is that singular exception, that he did what Bonds and Ortiz did, only without the use of PEDs?

Even with the PEDs, Cruz slowed down finally in 2018, having posted WARs of 4.7, 5.2, 4.7 and 4.1 '14 through '17. Last season that slipped to 2.9 WAR and with another birthday under his belt, Cruz isn't likely to top that in '19.
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Old 01-01-2019, 11:20 PM
 
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Again, with zero penalties for the team that signs a PED-using player, the Twins have nothing to lose. Just like the Giants with Bonds, the Red Sox with Manny/Ortiz, and the Yankees with Clemens, Pettitte, A-Rod, Giambi, Melky, Sheffield, etc, etc. The biggest beneficiaries during the A-Rod's suspension were the Steinbrenners.
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