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Old 11-14-2018, 07:39 AM
 
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I was surprised Counsell didn't win the manage award.
Which team had higher expectations at the start of the year? The Brewers were expected to be competitive, the Braves were thought to still be in the rebuilding mode and another year away from being in the mix for a post season slot. So of course Snitker won.

The people who vote on these awards don't really see how a manager manages apart from the running of the game, so they have settled on the notion that anyone who does way better than they anticipated, must be doing a hell of a job managing. The award is about the pre-season mind sets of the voters.
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Old 11-14-2018, 06:23 PM
 
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New York Mets right-hander Jacob deGrom won his first Cy Young Award on Wednesday, taking home the National League edition after leading the majors in ERA.

DeGrom received 29 first-place votes and 207 points in voting announced Wednesday by the Baseball Writers' Association of America. Washington's Max Scherzer got the other first-place vote and finished second while seeking a third straight Cy Young and fourth overall.
Jacob DeGrom of New York Mets wins NL Cy Young Award
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Tampa Bay Rays left-hander Blake Snell was named the American League Cy Young Award winner on Wednesday, capping a breakout season in his first full year in the majors.
....Snell earned 17 first-place votes and 169 points in voting, ahead of Houston Astros ace Justin Verlander's 13 first-place votes and 154 points and Cleveland Indians stalwart Corey Kluber's 71 points.
Blake Snell of Tampa Bay Rays is the AL Cy Young Award winner
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Old 11-14-2018, 06:50 PM
 
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Great to see, although JD should have gotten every first place vote.
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Old 11-14-2018, 08:11 PM
 
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Degrom is a free agent in 2021. Two years left.

Could you see him getting traded this year. Let's say by deadline Mets are about out of it. But he's still pitching well. Do you trade him if you can get some good talent?
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Old 11-14-2018, 08:24 PM
 
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Degrom is a free agent in 2021. Two years left.

Could you see him getting traded this year. Let's say by deadline Mets are about out of it. But he's still pitching well. Do you trade him if you can get some good talent?
No.

Mets have no 2021payroll. A deal with NYM is available, if back ended, which still pays JD more in 2019 and 2020.

JD is the perfect guy on a club. No huge ego. Team first. Eerily familiar to David Wright w/o health issues.

If Mets fall out of it, so be it in 2019, but logical move would be this:

(1) JD deal as NY post articulated, 5 years, 155 but back ended , with 47.5 first 2 years.

(2) Let Noah be strung along. He has less market value, and not as steady a pitcher.

(3) Sign Wheeler 3 years, should not exceed 36 mill. Again, back end it a bit-to get Wright & Ces off payroll for biggest year.

(4) Now get a catcher, offering Nimmo and Lugo for Realmuto. Again, work with him to push big paydays past 2020.

I do not see East getting stronger in quantity of teams strong. Braves will be atop it, but I doubt Nats nor Phils hit .500. Cubs close to rebuild IMO, Brewers good, but no depth. Az gonna rebuild. Rockies inconsistent.

So a wc is likely going to be an 85-87 win NL thing next few years. Not unreachable by Orange & Blue, even w/o breaking the bank.

I despite our GM (conflict of interest), but even he may not be able to mess up this. Red Sea is parting. Few excess teams in NL playoff equation next 3 years IMO.


https://nypost.com/2018/11/14/pre-ag...grom-and-mets/
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Old 11-15-2018, 02:13 PM
 
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No.

Mets have no 2021payroll. A deal with NYM is available, if back ended, which still pays JD more in 2019 and 2020.

JD is the perfect guy on a club. No huge ego. Team first. Eerily familiar to David Wright w/o health issues.

If Mets fall out of it, so be it in 2019, but logical move would be this:

(1) JD deal as NY post articulated, 5 years, 155 but back ended , with 47.5 first 2 years.

(2) Let Noah be strung along. He has less market value, and not as steady a pitcher.

(3) Sign Wheeler 3 years, should not exceed 36 mill. Again, back end it a bit-to get Wright & Ces off payroll for biggest year.

(4) Now get a catcher, offering Nimmo and Lugo for Realmuto. Again, work with him to push big paydays past 2020.

I do not see East getting stronger in quantity of teams strong. Braves will be atop it, but I doubt Nats nor Phils hit .500. Cubs close to rebuild IMO, Brewers good, but no depth. Az gonna rebuild. Rockies inconsistent.

So a wc is likely going to be an 85-87 win NL thing next few years. Not unreachable by Orange & Blue, even w/o breaking the bank.

I despite our GM (conflict of interest), but even he may not be able to mess up this. Red Sea is parting. Few excess teams in NL playoff equation next 3 years IMO.


https://nypost.com/2018/11/14/pre-ag...grom-and-mets/

Interesting. I wasn't that familiar with the Mets which is why I asked.
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Old 11-15-2018, 06:37 PM
 
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Mookie Betts couldn't draw up a dream season much more perfect than this: a batting title, a 30/30 campaign, a World Series championship and now the American League MVP award.

The understated Boston Red Sox star hit .346 with 32 home runs and 30 stolen bases. He won a Gold Glove in right field, led the majors in slugging percentage and the AL in extra-base hits, tied for the major league lead with 129 runs scored and outpointed the Los Angeles Angels' Mike Trout and Cleveland Indians' Jose Ramirez to capture MVP honors.
Mookie Betts beats Mike Trout, Jose Ramirez to win American League MVP

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Christian Yelich's outstanding debut season with the Milwaukee Brewers has ended with the outfield slugger winning the National League MVP award.

Yelich topped fellow finalists Nolan Arenado of the Colorado Rockies and Javier Baez of the Chicago Cubs when the winner was announced Thursday. He received 29 of 30 first-place votes and 415 points. The other first-place vote went to New York Mets pitcher Jacob deGrom, the NL Cy Young Award winner, who finished fifth.
Christian Yelich of Milwaukee Brewers named National League MVP
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Old 11-17-2018, 08:02 AM
 
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Degrom is a free agent in 2021. Two years left.

Could you see him getting traded this year. Let's say by deadline Mets are about out of it. But he's still pitching well. Do you trade him if you can get some good talent?
I do not see Jacob deGrom finishing his contract with the Mets. The Mets need a roster that plays baseball. If they need players for specific positions, other clubs will want deGrom in return.
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Old 11-17-2018, 09:22 AM
 
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I do not see Jacob deGrom finishing his contract with the Mets. The Mets need a roster that plays baseball. If they need players for specific positions, other clubs will want deGrom in return.
I doubt a trade occurs, but rather a NYM extension for a few years.

No one would offer enough. Cubs wanted to center deal around Russell. Baez would likely be required.

Now if Yelich repeats 2018 perhaps he could center a deal involving JD. That's the likely level it would take. Could Brewers afford $30 mill annually on an ace? They do need one.

No one wants NYY deal anymore as Torres was hardly as advertised. Stanton for JD? Hmm..except no money is saved.

Red Sox do not need JD. They have stars required in deal.

LA needs a top of rotation guy, but their stars have faded also.

Mets have no payroll after 2020 season. They have no need to trade JD. JD gets the Wright money inflated for median salary changes since his max annual payroll amount.

Everyone on 2019 roster is either done w contract by 2020 or kids like Rosario and Conforto who are still inexpensive.
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Old 11-17-2018, 12:53 PM
 
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Mets have no payroll after 2020 season. They have no need to trade JD. JD gets the Wright money inflated for median salary changes since his max annual payroll amount.

Everyone on 2019 roster is either done w contract by 2020 or kids like Rosario and Conforto who are still inexpensive.
In short, NYM is in the best payroll position in the NL in 2 years of clubs willing to at least approach median MLB club salary totals. Able to build back to a natural level w/o the constraints of bad, long-term deals.
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