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Old 08-28-2019, 07:11 AM
 
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If it was some ball park in a school field that had a lot of memories & the only cost was cutting the grass I'm sure they'd keep it. But a stadium like that would cost millions to maintain & even then you still run the risk of something happening & somebody getting hurt. Which then a lawsuit would destroy them.
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Old 08-28-2019, 08:14 AM
 
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Lived in New York for many years. I went to the old Yankee Stadium more times than I can remember despite growing up an Orioles fan.

I also had a front row seat to many of Steinbrenner's rants about a new stadium. He once harped on the area being so dangerous that he was basically telling his fans NOT to patronize his team. Other times he claimed he simply wanted the City to help him get more parking space.

Like most big sports owners, he wanted something new with luxury boxes and lots of glitz. Well, he got it.

I have not been to the new stadium. As for the old one, I loved it. Lots of memories of taking the D Train, sinking a few at Stan's or the Yankee Tavern, and then sitting in the bleachers.

Amazing history. Renovations not with standing, that was the place where Ruth, Gehrig, DiMaggio, Mantle, Henderson, Winfield, Jeter, and others had played. I feel lucky to have been there and seen Billy Martin come out of the dugout and approach the Ump like a cyclone on steroids.

What can I tell you? I am old school.
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Old 08-29-2019, 12:12 AM
 
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Lived in New York for many years. I went to the old Yankee Stadium more times than I can remember despite growing up an Orioles fan.

I also had a front row seat to many of Steinbrenner's rants about a new stadium. He once harped on the area being so dangerous that he was basically telling his fans NOT to patronize his team. Other times he claimed he simply wanted the City to help him get more parking space.

Like most big sports owners, he wanted something new with luxury boxes and lots of glitz. Well, he got it.

I have not been to the new stadium. As for the old one, I loved it. Lots of memories of taking the D Train, sinking a few at Stan's or the Yankee Tavern, and then sitting in the bleachers.

Amazing history. Renovations not with standing, that was the place where Ruth, Gehrig, DiMaggio, Mantle, Henderson, Winfield, Jeter, and others had played. I feel lucky to have been there and seen Billy Martin come out of the dugout and approach the Ump like a cyclone on steroids.

What can I tell you? I am old school.
The main parking for the new Yankee Stadium is the most expensive MLB parking I've experienced, and I've seen games in every current MLB stadium. IIRC, the new Yankee Stadium parking cost me $35 a game, and that was in 2009 and 2010.

I think they did a great job on the stadium. It was worth building .

Although it was (to some) 'crumbling', it was so iconic that I'm glad I got to see some games during the waning days of the old Yankee Stadium .
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Old 08-29-2019, 03:09 AM
 
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An interesting time lapse video of the tear down of Yankee Stadium

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-veEAKcjqY
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Old 08-29-2019, 07:24 AM
 
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The main parking for the new Yankee Stadium is the most expensive MLB parking I've experienced, and I've seen games in every current MLB stadium. IIRC, the new Yankee Stadium parking cost me $35 a game, and that was in 2009 and 2010.

I think they did a great job on the stadium. It was worth building .

Although it was (to some) 'crumbling', it was so iconic that I'm glad I got to see some games during the waning days of the old Yankee Stadium .
From what I see on TV, it is more than adequate as stadiums go. But I am old school. I like old stadiums, bars, buildings, etc. Sadly, not too many of the former left.

Except for that piece of metal that fell back in the 90s (easily repaired), I never understood how the old stadium was "crumbling." That was Steinbrenner's ongoing hyperbole.
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Old 08-29-2019, 07:25 AM
 
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For decades I've been shaking my head at the way sports stadiums, historic or not, are considered throw-aways - disposable commodities. It's gotten beyond ridiculous how quickly new stadiums get branded as "old" and expendable.

I consider any stadium built and opened in my personal lifetime memory to be a new park. Starting with Candlestick and all to follow. The list is long and yet MOST built in the 60s and 70s are already gone.

But back to Yankee Stadium. Yes, it was not a new ballpark. But it should have been preserved. Because if there ever was a historic venue....In so many ways, for so many great moments. If Fenway and Wrigley can be preserved, so could Yankee. Too bad the handful of powers-that-be were evidently blind to all but their personal fortune$.

At least they threw a bone to sentimental memories by building Heritage Park on the old site. But you'd think, wouldn't you, that if they were going to pay that sort of homage that they would build the main Heritage diamond on the exact spot of the original? But no - the original blue outline, in place when the new park opened, indicates that Yankee Stadium's home plate was in the approximate location of 2nd base on the Heritage diamond. More salt thrown on the wound. Why build it at all, if not on the original spot where so many legends swung the bat?

Maybe that's why the blue outline is no longer there. No point in shouting indifference to history.
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Old 08-29-2019, 10:43 AM
 
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For decades I've been shaking my head at the way sports stadiums, historic or not, are considered throw-aways - disposable commodities. It's gotten beyond ridiculous how quickly new stadiums get branded as "old" and expendable.

I consider any stadium built and opened in my personal lifetime memory to be a new park. Starting with Candlestick and all to follow. The list is long and yet MOST built in the 60s and 70s are already gone.

I understand the feeling. I mean, look at FedEx Field in DC.. they're already hollering for a new stadium. That thing is about 25 years old.

But.. The previous boom of stadiums was generally in the 60's. at that time, the "Cookie Cutter" multi-purpose stadium was the way to go. You had them all over. Candlestick, Veterans, Three Rivers, etc


The first new stadium I can think of was New Comiskey. That replaced Old Comiskey which was 80 years old. It had served it's life. New Comiskey was.. I don't think it was anything special. I mean it was a massive upgrade over what they had, but overall, it was kinda ho-hum (Especially with what would come afterwards)


Baltimore is truly the one that got the ball rolling. Camden Yards was a marvel when it was completed. From the aesthetics to the location. It got people thinking about revitalizing areas and using a ballpark to do it. Plus, incorporating a 'throwback' design.

After that.. It was like dominos for every other team to follow suit. short of Fenway, Dodger Stadium and Wrigley (And New Comiskey obviously).. I think every team has gotten a new stadium since then. Just looked it up.. Forgot about Anaheim and the Royals, though Kaufmann has undergone a pretty massive renovation.
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Old 08-29-2019, 01:14 PM
 
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For decades I've been shaking my head at the way sports stadiums, historic or not, are considered throw-aways - disposable commodities. It's gotten beyond ridiculous how quickly new stadiums get branded as "old" and expendable.
Giants Stadium in the NJ Meadowlands was basically here and gone in a minute. I can remember as a kid in the mid 70s going to visit relatives in NJ from CT and seeing the steel framework of that stadium during construction. Fast forward to today and its long been wiped off the face of the earth. Its like it was never there.

I grew up going to the 1976 renovated Yankee Stadium. They took away the character of the original. I think its a bit overrated by Yankee fans who claim to be old school. The concourses were the absolute worst - narrow, clausterphobic, and closed off from the field. The upper deck was massive and steep as hell. I will say though, the overall seating was closer to the field, where the new stadium is tiered back more.
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Old 08-29-2019, 01:55 PM
 
Location: A safe distance from San Francisco
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Giants Stadium in the NJ Meadowlands was basically here and gone in a minute. I can remember as a kid in the mid 70s going to visit relatives in NJ from CT and seeing the steel framework of that stadium during construction. Fast forward to today and its long been wiped off the face of the earth. Its like it was never there.

I grew up going to the 1976 renovated Yankee Stadium. They took away the character of the original. I think its a bit overrated by Yankee fans who claim to be old school. The concourses were the absolute worst - narrow, clausterphobic, and closed off from the field. The upper deck was massive and steep as hell. I will say though, the overall seating was closer to the field, where the new stadium is tiered back more.
Yep - one of the most ridiculous examples. Do we even know why it was replaced?

More examples....Three Rivers, Texas Stadium, Foxboro (I guess, though, there were major issues there), Kingdome, Arlington Stadium, Veterans Stadium, Fulton County Stadium, Riverfront Stadium, The Hoosier Dome, Shea, The Metrodome. There might be another one or two that have slipped my mind.

All monumental blunders in one way or another from planning to construction to utilization to decision to abandon.
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Old 08-29-2019, 02:54 PM
 
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I understand the feeling. I mean, look at FedEx Field in DC.. they're already hollering for a new stadium. That thing is about 25 years old.

But.. The previous boom of stadiums was generally in the 60's. at that time, the "Cookie Cutter" multi-purpose stadium was the way to go. You had them all over. Candlestick, Veterans, Three Rivers, etc


The first new stadium I can think of was New Comiskey. That replaced Old Comiskey which was 80 years old. It had served it's life. New Comiskey was.. I don't think it was anything special. I mean it was a massive upgrade over what they had, but overall, it was kinda ho-hum (Especially with what would come afterwards)


Baltimore is truly the one that got the ball rolling. Camden Yards was a marvel when it was completed. From the aesthetics to the location. It got people thinking about revitalizing areas and using a ballpark to do it. Plus, incorporating a 'throwback' design.

After that.. It was like dominos for every other team to follow suit. short of Fenway, Dodger Stadium and Wrigley (And New Comiskey obviously).. I think every team has gotten a new stadium since then. Just looked it up.. Forgot about Anaheim and the Royals, though Kaufmann has undergone a pretty massive renovation.
^^^^^

I agree with everything you expressed above, and by the mid 2000s I'd seen a game in every stadium, and I've seen a game in every stadium that has opened since. I'd only add two things:

1. I went back to Kaufmann in 2013 for a game to see the changes re the $250 million renovation. I think they did a great job. It's like gutting and renovating a house, but keeping a similar/the same general ambience. It just felt greatly refreshed .

2. A few of the stadiums that came after/were 'inspired' by Camden Yards were mistakes, and needed to be replaced. Turner Field was okay but, even though it was tied in with the Olympic area, it wasn't in a very good neighborhood. When I saw a game there, I remember asking what some buildings beyond the stadium were. The fellow game watcher told me that that was (at least at that time) a public housing project. SunTrust Park, out in Cobb County replaced it in 2017 and it is fantastic. I loved seeing a gave there. A 'district' was created (TheBattery Atlanta) with the ballpark as part of it. The ballpark in Arlington (now called Globe Life Park), IMO, was poorly designed. It has very poor sight lines. It is being replaced (after 26 seasons....1994-2019) with a new stadium that will open next year. Before the end of the season, I'm going to drive up there (I live in the Houston metro) for a game. It's been about 9-10 years since I've seen a game there. I want to see the 'old' ballpark as it is before it closes, and I want to see, in person, the new site/stadium as this point as it gets closer to completion.
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