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Old 01-17-2020, 07:24 AM
 
Location: Trumbull/Danbury
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For an additional penalty, the Astros should be forced to start Justin Verlander in the field on days he isn't the starting pitcher.
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Old 01-17-2020, 04:46 PM
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Location: Suburban Dallas
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You know, guys, it would be too difficult to determine if whatever amount of cheating actually brought desired results, not just for the Astros, but for any team. It's a game of fate. That next pitch might be guessed correctly, but that doesn't always guarantee a home run or a base hit. Some days, a certain player happens to be "the guy". Other days, he isn't.

Keep in mind that the Astros did not win every single game. There's no 162-0 in baseball and there never will be. Sometimes, these guys will lose a few, just like anyone else. I'm not wishing to condone cheating; I'm just saying that catching an exact scenario, if not completely obvious, is too complicated.

I think all the teams which were talked about have learned their lessons, and that will certainly carry over time until this issue passes on like previous scandals have.
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Old 01-17-2020, 08:44 PM
 
Location: sumter
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You know, guys, it would be too difficult to determine if whatever amount of cheating actually brought desired results, not just for the Astros, but for any team. It's a game of fate. That next pitch might be guessed correctly, but that doesn't always guarantee a home run or a base hit. Some days, a certain player happens to be "the guy". Other days, he isn't.

Keep in mind that the Astros did not win every single game. There's no 162-0 in baseball and there never will be. Sometimes, these guys will lose a few, just like anyone else. I'm not wishing to condone cheating; I'm just saying that catching an exact scenario, if not completely obvious, is too complicated.

I think all the teams which were talked about have learned their lessons, and that will certainly carry over time until this issue passes on like previous scandals have.
Of course they didn't win every game, that would be impossible. But all it takes is a single game sometime, to determined who wins the division, wildcard, or the pennant. And we get bent out of shape over football players, and look what these guys are doing to the sport. That's a serious blackeye to the sports, and sending the wrong message to our young people.
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Old 01-18-2020, 06:32 AM
 
Location: Outside US
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As a casual follower of B-ball And having read more and more articles I think vacating all wins and long-term punishment should be gone, not this slap on the wrist stuff.
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Old 01-20-2020, 04:25 PM
 
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What are the chances that AJ Hinch manages again & the GM getting another high level FO job?


Seems more likely Hinch would. The GM actually was an outsider that got into FO work early part of the century so I could see it harder for him as he's only been with 2 organizations & probably has less connections.
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Old 01-20-2020, 05:11 PM
 
Location: Parts Unknown, Northern California
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What are the chances that AJ Hinch manages again & the GM getting another high level FO job?


Seems more likely Hinch would. The GM actually was an outsider that got into FO work early part of the century so I could see it harder for him as he's only been with 2 organizations & probably has less connections.
Ludnow built what has been MLB's most successful organization over the last three seasons. I do not see talent like that being on the sidelines very long. While all clubs have gone metric in various degrees, not all have been successful. The Padres and the Mariners strike me as the type of organizations who would be happy to hire someone who gets them on a winning track. They can't be too thrilled with the management they have had over the past decade.
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Old 01-21-2020, 01:28 PM
 
Location: Parts Unknown, Northern California
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The Los Angeles City Council unanimously approved a resolution Tuesday urging Major League Baseball to strip recent World Series championships from the Houston Astros and Boston Red Sox and award them to the Los Angeles Dodgers.

The resolution, originally presented by council members Gil Cedillo and Paul Koretz on Wednesday, notes the sign-stealing allegations brought against the 2017 Astros and 2018 Red Sox and asks MLB commissioner Rob Manfred to "recall the World Series Commissioner's Trophies and award them to the Los Angeles Dodgers."
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/...-award-dodgers

Well, this isn't going to happen, it would appear to be just the LA City Council doing a bit of public relations to make it seem like they are concerned.

Among the most obvious reasons that this is an unworkable idea is that it ignores the teams which the Astros and Red Sox beat in the post season in order to reach the WS. In 2017 the Astros beat the Red Sox and the Yankees on their way to October glory, in 2018 the Red Sox beat the Yankees and Astros. Why would we vacate the WS titles in favor of the Dodgers rather than vacate the two AL pennants in favor of the Yankees in 2017 and the Astros in 2018?
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Old 01-21-2020, 03:20 PM
 
Location: Beautiful Northwest Houston
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https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/...-award-dodgers

Well, this isn't going to happen, it would appear to be just the LA City Council doing a bit of public relations to make it seem like they are concerned.

Among the most obvious reasons that this is an unworkable idea is that it ignores the teams which the Astros and Red Sox beat in the post season in order to reach the WS. In 2017 the Astros beat the Red Sox and the Yankees on their way to October glory, in 2018 the Red Sox beat the Yankees and Astros. Why would we vacate the WS titles in favor of the Dodgers rather than vacate the two AL pennants in favor of the Yankees in 2017 and the Astros in 2018?
Don't forget about the Indians, they're saying what about us too....
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Old 01-22-2020, 01:38 PM
 
Location: Parts Unknown, Northern California
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Major League Baseball has no plans to strip recent World Series titles from the Houston Astros or Boston Red Sox, according to commissioner Rob Manfred.

In his first public interview since announcing historic penalties for the Astros last week, Manfred told Fox Business Network that MLB will honor the "long tradition in baseball of not trying to change what happened.
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/...er-rob-manfred
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Old 01-27-2020, 12:29 PM
 
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https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/...-award-dodgers

Well, this isn't going to happen, it would appear to be just the LA City Council doing a bit of public relations to make it seem like they are concerned.

Among the most obvious reasons that this is an unworkable idea is that it ignores the teams which the Astros and Red Sox beat in the post season in order to reach the WS. In 2017 the Astros beat the Red Sox and the Yankees on their way to October glory, in 2018 the Red Sox beat the Yankees and Astros. Why would we vacate the WS titles in favor of the Dodgers rather than vacate the two AL pennants in favor of the Yankees in 2017 and the Astros in 2018?
And it won't be a good idea either, imagine if and when some people check if the Dodgers have hidden skeletons in their closet and are guilty of the same crime. What the LA City Council will do if, and it's a big "if", that scenario happen?
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