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Old 01-30-2021, 08:35 PM
 
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How does Mike Mussina trail Curt Schilling for years at then magically become HOF worthy? The baseball writers are still a joke.
I completely agree. IMO baseball has the Hall-of-Fame with the $hittiest players inducted.

Craig Biggio, a career singles hitter is in. So is Harold Baines. Enough said.
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Old 01-31-2021, 03:15 AM
 
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I completely agree. IMO baseball has the Hall-of-Fame with the $hittiest players inducted.

Craig Biggio, a career singles hitter is in. So is Harold Baines. Enough said.
Not enough said.

So, if you don't win the Home Run Derby, you're not welcome? Biggio was a Doubles leader almost every year. Over 40 doubles 7 times, once just 8 short of the league record. That's not singles.
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Old 01-31-2021, 06:42 AM
 
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Not enough said.

So, if you don't win the Home Run Derby, you're not welcome? Biggio was a Doubles leader almost every year. Over 40 doubles 7 times, once just 8 short of the league record. That's not singles.
Didn't say that. Winning HR derby is a stupid event. It means nothing.

Do you think he is a HOFer? One of the best second basemen ever?
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Old 01-31-2021, 08:52 AM
 
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Didn't say that. Winning HR derby is a stupid event. It means nothing.

Do you think he is a HOFer? One of the best second basemen ever?
Biggio is a guy that I do not have qualms with but never during his career did I think "this guy is going to Cooperstown" and why was he not good enough in '13 but the same batch or writers just 2 years later, "Yeah, this Biggio guy is great!". Some guys do get snubbed but sometimes the writes just show how arbitrary the process is.
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Old 01-31-2021, 09:36 AM
 
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Biggio is a guy that I do not have qualms with but never during his career did I think "this guy is going to Cooperstown" and why was he not good enough in '13 but the same batch or writers just 2 years later, "Yeah, this Biggio guy is great!". Some guys do get snubbed but sometimes the writes just show how arbitrary the process is.
I agree. A lot of it is politics. The writer biases definitely show. But I think it's like that for all hall-of-fames.
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Old 01-31-2021, 02:06 PM
 
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I completely agree. IMO baseball has the Hall-of-Fame with the $hittiest players inducted.

Craig Biggio, a career singles hitter is in. So is Harold Baines. Enough said.
3060 hits for Biggio, 291 of which were HRs. Try again.
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Old 01-31-2021, 02:50 PM
 
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3060 hits for Biggio, 291 of which were HRs. Try again.
He wasn't even a career .300 hitter. Didn't make an All-Star team in his final NINE seasons.

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Old 01-31-2021, 03:07 PM
 
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Barry Bonds and Curt Schilling were close, but no cigar. Schilling wants to be taken off of next year's ballot.


First, with Bonds ... I'd rather not see players get in who cheated.


I don't think Schilling belongs, either. Yes, he was a stud in the postseason and collected three rings, but 216-146 and a career 3.46 ERA isn't doing it for me. He had too many crappy years.


If I had my way, I'd like to see some 'HOFers' removed. Harold Baines and Ted Lyons? Hall of Very Good.


There should be two tiers for HOFers - Tier 1 would have your Mike Schmidt's, Hank Aaron's and Joe DiMaggio's. Tier 2 would have your Ron Santo's, Tony Lazzeri's and Luis Aparacio's.
I respect your opinion about Bonds. But all the players who used PEDs technically weren't "cheating" because it was not against the rules at the time. The player still has to play and hit the baseball. And look at the NFL, many, many players used steroids in the 1970s. It was not against the rules at the time and they were not barred or punished from the PFHOF.


On a side note, it's a real black eye to baseball that zero players were elected this year. I hope they learn from it when there isn't an induction ceremony. LOL.
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Old 01-31-2021, 10:23 PM
 
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I respect your opinion about Bonds. But all the players who used PEDs technically weren't "cheating" because it was not against the rules at the time. The player still has to play and hit the baseball. And look at the NFL, many, many players used steroids in the 1970s. It was not against the rules at the time and they were not barred or punished from the PFHOF.


On a side note, it's a real black eye to baseball that zero players were elected this year. I hope they learn from it when there isn't an induction ceremony. LOL.
For whatever reason, steroid use has been accepted by football fans. Apparently, not so much in baseball.


On a side note: There's been other years where no players have been elected to the baseball HOF. Those 'black eyes' were weathered.
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Old 01-31-2021, 11:24 PM
 
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Didn't say that. Winning HR derby is a stupid event. It means nothing.

Do you think he is a HOFer? One of the best second basemen ever?
Given the prevailing long-career criteriam Biggio is certainly as legitimate as any other 2B, even without HR numbers.

In my view, Fame is earned during your playing career, not in retrospect decades later. All-stars every year, name is a household word, as a day-to-day player. Jeter and Pujols were already in the Hall at their ten-year mark, even if they never played another game. They defined fame. Berra, Yastrzemski, Feller, well-known even to non-fans. You know, Fame, earned by performance.
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