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Old 09-14-2021, 08:55 AM
 
Location: City Data Land
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I just started watching baseball last year and I noticed this trend of teams swapping pitchers when there's no chance of them winning. Well, maybe a chance, but a very small one. Why do they wear out the arms on a lost cause? Why not just keep allowing the original pitcher to keep pitching and switch when the pitch count goes up? Does this have to do with pitcher/team stats? I don't know those well, so maybe that's it.
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Old 09-14-2021, 09:15 AM
 
Location: north bama
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a thousand or so years ago when i played pee wee baseball we were losing to a team 10 to nothing and i was brought in in the final inning to pitch .. i struck out the side and we scored 11 runs in our last at bat to win the game .. when i played there was no limit to how many pitches a pitcher made in a game even at 12 years old ..i actually live next door to a fellow who played on the other team .. he remembers it .. i remember it mostly because his team had a one armed pitcher .. any who i think your question needs to be expanded to if you were watching the little league world series or major league or collage ball .. i dont think collage ball has a pitch count and i know pro ball doesnt but most all lesser ball does ..
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Old 09-14-2021, 02:43 PM
 
Location: Sacramento
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If a team falls behind by a lot of runs early in a ballgame, say in the first few innings, it isn't unusual to bring in a specialist called a "long reliever". Typically, this is a relief pitcher who can throw perhaps 40-50 pitches before their arm gets tired, so you hope to get three innings out of them. At that point, you typically just use your least dependable relief pitchers to end the game and go onto tomorrow. You wouldn't want to use your prime relief pitchers, if avoidable, in a lost cause.

They mostly do this because they don't want the starting pitcher to get hit around so bad it affects their next start too.

The problem arises if you have consecutive games where you fall behind by a lot of runs early in the game. In that case, you typically leave the starting pitcher in for as long as you can stand it and then try to minimize relief pitcher arm stress.
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Old 09-14-2021, 03:42 PM
 
Location: Phila & NYC
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I just started watching baseball last year and I noticed this trend of teams swapping pitchers when there's no chance of them winning. Well, maybe a chance, but a very small one. Why do they wear out the arms on a lost cause? Why not just keep allowing the original pitcher to keep pitching and switch when the pitch count goes up? Does this have to do with pitcher/team stats? I don't know those well, so maybe that's it.
A Manager never makes decisions based on "no chance to win". You Manage with a strategy of winning the game. Also a guy out of the pen that goes too long becomes un-available the next game. Then you have situations when not using the DH, your going to pinch hit for the pitcher. The game is never over till it's over.
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Old 09-14-2021, 03:48 PM
 
Location: Phila & NYC
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a thousand or so years ago when i played pee wee baseball we were losing to a team 10 to nothing and i was brought in in the final inning to pitch .. i struck out the side and we scored 11 runs in our last at bat to win the game .. when i played there was no limit to how many pitches a pitcher made in a game even at 12 years old ..i actually live next door to a fellow who played on the other team .. he remembers it .. i remember it mostly because his team had a one armed pitcher .. any who i think your question needs to be expanded to if you were watching the little league world series or major league or collage ball .. i dont think collage ball has a pitch count and i know pro ball doesnt but most all lesser ball does ..
Oh yes they do. In fact metrics is used at many Universities as much if not more then in professional baseball. Now in Minor League ball it is rare that a starter goes more then 5 innings, regardless as to the pitch count.
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Old 09-14-2021, 03:51 PM
 
Location: On the Chesapeake
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Oh yes they do. In fact metrics is used at many Universities as much if not more then in professional baseball. Now in Minor League ball it is rare that a starter goes more then 5 innings, regardless as to the pitch count.
Yeah, the majors have been looking at pitch count for at least the last couple decades. If a team is getting their asses handed to them they don't want that pitcher to burn out his arm on a dead certain losing effort by throwing pitch after pitch.
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Old 09-14-2021, 07:02 PM
 
Location: Cumberland
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Most MLB teams have "inning eaters" in the bullpen who come in when the team is losing badly to avoid wear on the other pitchers. Should a comeback be made, the manager can always go back to their set-up guys and closer, but so long as they are losing, the inning eaters will finish out the game.
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Old 09-14-2021, 07:31 PM
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There’s always a chance because baseball isn’t on a timer.
The more you can stop the bleeding, the better that chance can be.
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