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Old 07-16-2022, 09:23 PM
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I'm a Phillies Fan and we Phillies Fan are on the edge of our seats when they have to go to the bullpen. Today it's as if they were created in a manner different than most pitchers. Elroy Face -- know the name? He pitched for the Pittsburgh Pirates in the '50's. What I think kept him out of the Hall of fame is though he won 104 games he lost 95. Still then the Pirates were like the 2022 Nationals and Reds. Still his won loss record comes second to his major one year accomplishment.
In 1957 I believe that was the year he went 18 - 1. I think I recall in Philly a sunday double header he came in that year and won game 1 of a doubleheader and went no decision in the second. When will we see a relief pitcher with 18 wins. If anyone reading this might know of one the Phillies General Manager for that matter any Major League General Manager would love to hear from you. The last year and beginning of this one if a Phillies Fan you had to stock up on Rolaids. Just check the record of games loss by Phillies by relievers over that period. There should exist a HOF spot for notable achievements. Achievements we may never see again. If a relievers pitching record in a single year of 18 - 1 isnt notable enough for HOF recognition then maybe I dont know anything about baseball especially todays baseball. Face was a grunt put away that hand cream, analgesics and analytics and just give me the damn baseball. -- okay "who's next".

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Old 07-26-2022, 05:59 PM
 
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Elroy Face was very good, but not a Hall of Fame level reliever.

His 20.5 BBRef WAR (ERA+ is 109) ranks him 50th among relief pitchers, and no one in his area is in -- the closest enshrined is Bruce Sutter at 24.0, good for 26th, and he's generally regarded as a mistake. Terry Forster (20.4) and Jeff Montgomery (20.5) are probably his most similar analogues. Guys like John Hiller (30.4) and Lindy McDaniel (28.2), both of whom pitched primarily in relief, would have far better HoF arguments, though note that I'm not enthusiastically backing either player.

Besides, relief pitcher wins come with a big caveat -- it's not unusual for them to get one after they've blown a lead, "earning" the win when their team bounces back to get the win. Not to mention that one striking season (Roger Maris's 61 homer season comes to mind) by itself does not a Hall of Fame case make.
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Old 07-27-2022, 06:46 PM
 
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Elroy Face was very good, but not a Hall of Fame level reliever.

His 20.5 BBRef WAR (ERA+ is 109) ranks him 50th among relief pitchers, and no one in his area is in -- the closest enshrined is Bruce Sutter at 24.0, good for 26th, and he's generally regarded as a mistake. Terry Forster (20.4) and Jeff Montgomery (20.5) are probably his most similar analogues. Guys like John Hiller (30.4) and Lindy McDaniel (28.2), both of whom pitched primarily in relief, would have far better HoF arguments, though note that I'm not enthusiastically backing either player.

Besides, relief pitcher wins come with a big caveat -- it's not unusual for them to get one after they've blown a lead, "earning" the win when their team bounces back to get the win. Not to mention that one striking season (Roger Maris's 61 homer season comes to mind) by itself does not a Hall of Fame case make.

Agree in today's world.

But, back in the day, when it wasn't unusual for a 'closer' to pitch 2 (or more!) innings.. The W-L is a different situation.
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