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Old 08-01-2016, 12:04 PM
 
Location: Florida
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I am really surprised at the negative reactions to the Kemp trade. He's being criticized for his lack of mobility in the OF, as well as striking out so much. Please tell me how many power hitting outfielders the Braves have (here's a clue- less than one)? Also, Freeman strikes out more often than Kemp! We have zero power in our outfield, He's hitting 262- better than most Braves- I don't get it. As for subpar defense- we've been playing Garcia, AJ, and Aybar all year- and with the exception of Garcia- these guys stink at the plate as well!! We finally make a move to improve our CURRENT team- instead of more pitching "prospects", and many people seem unhappy about it. Olivera was a woman abuser, and a terrible player as well- please explain the dissatisfaction?!
He's a shell of his former self. He's basically a replacement level player because of his lack of defensive ability. His current WAR is 0.2. Markakis is posting a 0.7. Meaning that in the world of advanced metrics, Neck is a better player currently than Kemp. He's such a defensive liability that his offensive stats mean NOTHING!


It's not that we would rather have Olivera. I'm glad we dumped him. But we could have just DFA'ed him rather than taking on another bloated contract. This is not a good move in the long term.


Also, his OBP is .285!! He's only walked 16 times in over 400 plate appearances!
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Old 08-01-2016, 12:51 PM
 
Location: Georgia
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He's a shell of his former self. He's basically a replacement level player because of his lack of defensive ability. His current WAR is 0.2. Markakis is posting a 0.7. Meaning that in the world of advanced metrics, Neck is a better player currently than Kemp. He's such a defensive liability that his offensive stats mean NOTHING!


It's not that we would rather have Olivera. I'm glad we dumped him. But we could have just DFA'ed him rather than taking on another bloated contract. This is not a good move in the long term.


Also, his OBP is .285!! He's only walked 16 times in over 400 plate appearances!
I don't think the Braves are in a position to be choosey. Why are we suddenly so concerned with defense- they've been playing AJ, Aybar and Garcia all year! 23 homers doesn't sound like a shell of a player. WAR is a very overrated stat- I'll take the run production over WAR any day. Markakis is a very average player- he only looks better because his teammates are so lousy.
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Old 08-01-2016, 01:06 PM
 
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I would agree that WAR is not a statistic that everyone buys into. Dollars aside, I would never take Markakis over Kemp. Markakis isn't exactly much of a defender either.
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Old 08-01-2016, 01:23 PM
 
Location: Georgia
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I would agree that WAR is not a statistic that everyone buys into. Dollars aside, I would never take Markakis over Kemp. Markakis isn't exactly much of a defender either.
Agreed- Markakis has limited range, and limited speed. His arm is pretty accurate, but not strong. Let's hope Kemp is the start of some good things for the Braves- it's been a long dry spell!
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Old 08-01-2016, 09:48 PM
 
Location: South Carolina
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Cervenka has bee solid all season- you'd keep O"Flaherty over him?!!
Allowing four runs in one-third inning is solid?
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Old 08-02-2016, 05:59 AM
 
Location: Georgia
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Allowing four runs in one-third inning is solid?
His overall season has been solid. You can find one bad game from even the best player to focus on. He's been one of their best relief pitchers this season.
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Old 08-02-2016, 06:26 AM
 
Location: Florida
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His overall season has been solid. You can find one bad game from even the best player to focus on. He's been one of their best relief pitchers this season.
That's what Carolina Knight does. He looks at things game by game. If someone has an off night, he calls for them to be demoted to A-ball. It's actually quite comical!
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Old 08-02-2016, 06:48 AM
 
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His overall season has been solid. You can find one bad game from even the best player to focus on. He's been one of their best relief pitchers this season.
I hope Cervenka had a bad outing and will not do that again.
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Old 08-02-2016, 06:50 AM
 
Location: South Carolina
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That's what Carolina Knight does. He looks at things game by game. If someone has an off night, he calls for them to be demoted to A-ball. It's actually quite comical!
How about Erick Aybar taking games off by not hitting balls with bats? He was not demoted.
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Old 08-02-2016, 06:53 AM
 
Location: South Carolina
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Default Game #106 (2016-08-02 - 19:10): Pittsburgh Pirates @ Atlanta Braves

Pittsburgh Pirates (52-51)
Third, National League Central Division (11.0 games behind Chicago Cubs)
Projected starting pitcher: Gerrit Cole (6-6, 2.78 ERA, 73 K)

Atlanta Braves (37-68)
Fifth, National League East Division (24.0 games behind Washington Nationals)
Projected starting pitcher: Mike Foltynewicz (4-4, 4.30 ERA, 58 K)

The Braves host the Pirates to a three-game series at Turner Field.
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