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Old 05-01-2012, 08:58 PM
 
Location: Sacramento
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Same concern I have about Harper, should turn out to be really good, but I don't like seeing guys rushed before they're ready.

I've just seen too many "sure fire future all star" players not pan out over the past 50 years. Some do, but many don't.
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Old 05-01-2012, 10:35 PM
 
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Sounds fishy to me.
And he came to LA straight from Salt Lake.
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Old 05-02-2012, 08:13 AM
 
Location: Albuquerque, NM
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Same concern I have about Harper, should turn out to be really good, but I don't like seeing guys rushed before they're ready.
What leads you to conclude that he's not ready? His age?
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Old 05-02-2012, 10:53 PM
 
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What leads you to conclude that he's not ready? His age?
Not enough time in AAA, should have stayed down until the end of May to see if the pitchers were going to figure out how to work him at the plate.

Thinking back to guys who were top prospects like Ben Grieve, I think he would have potentially had more success if given additional time in AAA to see if pitchers figure out how to exploit his weaknesses.

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Old 05-03-2012, 05:21 AM
 
Location: Albuquerque, NM
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Not enough time in AAA, should have stayed down until the end of May to see if the pitchers were going to figure out how to work him at the plate.

Thinking back to guys who were top prospects like Ben Grieve, I think he would have potentially had more success if given additional time in AAA to see if pitchers figure out how to exploit his weaknesses.
What's magic about the end of May?

Why should the Nationals let minor league pitchers figure out how to work him at the plate instead of major league pitchers? Suppose Harper has some glaring weakness that can be easily exploited. Wouldn't it be better to let him hit in the majors for a month instead of the minors before that weakness is exposed? At least then, the Nationals would get a month's use out of him.
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Old 05-03-2012, 07:42 AM
 
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I disagree filihok, I think it is about the long term investment in the player, not squeezing out usage moment to moment.

Two months at AAA provides enough time for the other clubs to figure out how to work him, and see if he can adjust. After all, the ability to adjust is likely one of the most important aspects concerning major league batting success.
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Old 05-03-2012, 11:15 AM
 
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Adjustment works both ways, pitchers learn how to cope with Harper, Harper learns how to cope with the pitchers. I do not see why such a concern should be any sort of factor, the adjustment dynamic goes into operation no matter when he is brought to the big leagues. If Harper can hit ML pitching now, there is nothing to be gained by having him remain in the minors other than thrilling the minor league fans.
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Old 05-04-2012, 05:42 AM
 
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Two months at AAA provides enough time for the other clubs to figure out how to work him, and see if he can adjust. After all, the ability to adjust is likely one of the most important aspects concerning major league batting success.
Agreed with Grandstander.

Why can't the Nationals see if he can adjust at the big league level? What is different about learning at the minor league level?

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I disagree filihok, I think it is about the long term investment in the player, not squeezing out usage moment to moment.
Sure.

But...if Harper is able to adjust he should be able to adjust to big league pitchers. Right?

If Harper is unable to adjust (in the minors or in the majors) then wouldn't the Nationals be better served to get at least a month's worth of use out of him as opposed to none at all?
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Old 05-04-2012, 07:59 AM
 
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Huge difference between AAA and majors, and many a young batting prospect has had their confidence ruined by being in the majors before they were actually ready.

Success for some extended period of time in the minors, at high levels, can do wonders for a player's confidence.

I have little doubt about Trout's or Harper's abilities, however rushing them to the majors increases their potential for failure.
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Old 05-04-2012, 10:33 AM
 
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Huge difference between AAA and majors, and many a young batting prospect has had their confidence ruined by being in the majors before they were actually ready.

Success for some extended period of time in the minors, at high levels, can do wonders for a player's confidence.

I have little doubt about Trout's or Harper's abilities, however rushing them to the majors increases their potential for failure.
The above suggests that there is one formula which applies to everyone. Talent levels are not equal and when a player is ready for the majors depends on the player in question. Ken Griffey Jr. was in the big leagues to stay at age 19, Alex Rodriguez and Robin Yount at 18. Willie Mays and Henry Aaron both made it by age 20. Should those five have been kept in the minors so that they could lean to hit?

If Harper hits well now, how would it help his confidence to demote him to a less demanding level?
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