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Manny Ramirez..2009 stats before his suspension for steroid use:
.355-.487-.669-1.315
Manny Ramirez since being forced to play clean:
.265-.363-.434-.798
Just a little .500 dropoff in OPS.
And we have to figure that Arod is now playing clean..his career marks:
.304-.390-.575-.965
His 2009 stats to date:
.267-.400-.504-.904
Now, Manny is making 23 million this season (well, less the $ he lost while suspended.) and Arod is making 33 million this season.
Is it not the case that both of these players signed mega contracts because their clubs were anticipating the sort of performance which they were getting while the player was using PEDs? What would Manny have been offered if the Dodgers had known in advance that they would be getting a .798 OPS from Ramirez? How long of a contract would Arod have been offered if the clubs had been aware that starting this year, he would be a lot more like a normal aging player? Five years from now Rodriguez will be 39 years old and I think we may anticipate him playing more like all the other superstars in the twilights of their careers, and less like the supercharged Barry Bonds at that age. (I sort of look forward to 2017 when the Yankees are still paying Arod 30 million plus and he is hurt half the year and has a .750 OPS when he does play.)
I would love to see one of these clubs sue the player and his agent for contract fraud. It isn't going to happen, a club wouldn't do it, the MLBPA would probably tie them up in the courts forever or maybe even go on strike rather than see a signed contract ruled invalid.
Uh oh...you mean players aren't the same without steroids?
Of course they are. Haven't you heard all these guys who got caught explaining that they didn't take steroids to cheat or enhance performance, they just felt pressure to try and recover from an injury faster?
Maybe Manny should try cutting his hair and stopping the circus. That guy is a fool, and I'm grateful everyday that Theo tossed his ass the hell out of Boston and got Jason Bay. What a contrast.
Manny Ramirez..2009 stats before his suspension for steroid use:
.355-.487-.669-1.315
Manny Ramirez since being forced to play clean:
.265-.363-.434-.798
Just a little .500 dropoff in OPS.
And we have to figure that Arod is now playing clean..his career marks:
.304-.390-.575-.965
His 2009 stats to date:
.267-.400-.504-.904
Now, Manny is making 23 million this season (well, less the $ he lost while suspended.) and Arod is making 33 million this season.
Is it not the case that both of these players signed mega contracts because their clubs were anticipating the sort of performance which they were getting while the player was using PEDs? What would Manny have been offered if the Dodgers had known in advance that they would be getting a .798 OPS from Ramirez? How long of a contract would Arod have been offered if the clubs had been aware that starting this year, he would be a lot more like a normal aging player? Five years from now Rodriguez will be 39 years old and I think we may anticipate him playing more like all the other superstars in the twilights of their careers, and less like the supercharged Barry Bonds at that age. (I sort of look forward to 2017 when the Yankees are still paying Arod 30 million plus and he is hurt half the year and has a .750 OPS when he does play.)
I would love to see one of these clubs sue the player and his agent for contract fraud. It isn't going to happen, a club wouldn't do it, the MLBPA would probably tie them up in the courts forever or maybe even go on strike rather than see a signed contract ruled invalid.
Grandstander I agree with most of your posts, but not this time, the owners all sat back and idly watched as most of there players bulked up at an alarming rate, they enjoyed the added revenue from the increased attendance because of all of the monster homeruns flying out of there stadiums on a nightly basis, we even heard from Lou Merloni that the Red Sox brought in a Physician to teach the players the correct way to take PED's, dosages and what not (for you haters out there if you think it was only the Red Sox you're crazy, they were protecting there investment).
The Sport is in the process of cleaning itself up, and guys who were using PED's maybe even for there entire career will be playing drug free (hopefully) but I don't feel any sympathy for the owners, if they have to eat a few bad contracts along the way so be it. they weren't exactly innocent bystanders.
The Sport is in the process of cleaning itself up, and guys who were using PED's maybe even for there entire career will be playing drug free (hopefully) but I don't feel any sympathy for the owners, if they have to eat a few bad contracts along the way so be it. they weren't exactly innocent bystanders.
I wasn't thinking of it from the angle of a triumph for the owners so much as a lesson for the players. I do not feel the owners are blame free in this business, they certainly didn't act to investigate any suspicious players. They deserve no reward, but I would prefer to see the more severe punishment fall on the users rather than those who deliberately looked the other way and also benefitted from the practice.
The way things are, the player still wins. Manny and Arod will continue to make millions even as their performance declines, or even if they are released. This all comes out of the owner's pocket. Maybe the owners deserve to take a hit, but the players deserve it even more and they are making out like bandits in this. If the price of seeing the players brought down is allowing the owners to catch a break, I think it is worth paying.
I wasn't thinking of it from the angle of a triumph for the owners so much as a lesson for the players. I do not feel the owners are blame free in this business, they certainly didn't act to investigate any suspicious players. They deserve no reward, but I would prefer to see the more severe punishment fall on the users rather than those who deliberately looked the other way and also benefitted from the practice.
The way things are, the player still wins. Manny and Arod will continue to make millions even as their performance declines, or even if they are released. This all comes out of the owner's pocket. Maybe the owners deserve to take a hit, but the players deserve it even more and they are making out like bandits in this. If the price of seeing the players brought down is allowing the owners to catch a break, I think it is worth paying.
this is true but that will lead to a market correction and fairly quickly.
How about taking a look at A-Rod's career stats after they instituted testing, rather than the stats for 2009. You are aware that he missed the 1st month and a half of the season after having surgery that was only intended to get hip hip injury through the season. He's having major hip repair after the season.
How about taking a look at A-Rod's career stats after they instituted testing, rather than the stats for 2009. You are aware that he missed the 1st month and a half of the season after having surgery that was only intended to get hip hip injury through the season. He's having major hip repair after the season.
So?
Rodriguez has confessed to three seasons of steroid use, and he confessed because he got caught and could not deny it. According to his recent biographer, and according to Jose Canseco, Rodriguez has been using steroids his entire career. I cannot vouch for Ms. Rodriguez's book, but I have learned that Canseco has been proven correct when he has named names.
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