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He also acted as an ambassador for the game and did a TON of charity work and flying the NBA flag while doing so. I think most of us recognize that his NBA career isn't enough, on its own merit, to warrant HOF inclusion. However, if I was a HOF panel member, I would consider the following:
1) His NBA career
2) His international career
3) His charity work. Now I'm not sure whether he was doing it on behalf of the NBA, or of his own accord, but Basketball, and the NBA specifically, would have benefited from the positive exposure of Yao's actions. This is where 'a significant contribution to the game of basketball' comes into play. Just what a HOF member considers as a 'significant contribution', is a purely subjective thing.....
Add those things together, and you maybe have a case. Each point on its own basis, may not be enough. COMBINED though, and you could make a case.
Now look at Yao's biography with all the CBA, FIBA, Olympics etc etc etc. along with 5 all-nba team appearances (im ignoring his 8 allstar appearances for obvious reasons) Yao Ming - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Now, if people want to argue about the HOF's CRITERIA for admission then that's one thing. However, if you think Yao isn't getting in EASILY on the first ballot it's laughable.
Now look at Yao's biography with all the CBA, FIBA, Olympics etc etc etc. along with 5 all-nba team appearances (im ignoring his 8 allstar appearances for obvious reasons) Yao Ming - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Now, if people want to argue about the HOF's CRITERIA for admission then that's one thing. However, if you think Yao isn't getting in EASILY on the first ballot it's laughable.
Yeah, looking at all-star appearances is moot, particularly as there's obviously a few unwarranted selections,and its a popularity contest anyways. Though Yao was obviously an all-star worthy player in his prime when healthy( which admittedly wasn't often). All NBA teams are certainly a more relevant achievement.
Absolutely, arguing criteria is a totally separate argument. But looking at what IS the criteria, the case for Yao can be made, when looking at the TOTALITY of his contribution to Basketball, in the NBA, in FIBA and Olympic competition, and in his charity work which certain portrayed the NBA in a good light.
Yeah, looking at all-star appearances is moot, particularly as there's obviously a few unwarranted selections,and its a popularity contest anyways. Though Yao was obviously an all-star worthy player in his prime when healthy( which admittedly wasn't often). All NBA teams are certainly a more relevant achievement.
Absolutely, arguing criteria is a totally separate argument. But looking at what IS the criteria, the case for Yao can be made, when looking at the TOTALITY of his contribution to Basketball, in the NBA, in FIBA and Olympic competition, and in his charity work which certain portrayed the NBA in a good light.
I think we all agree that if it were the NBA HOF Yao would not get in.
We are talking about Yao Ming,who was a PLAYER. We're not talking about commentators, so get a life and keep your idiotic comments to yourself. I 100% realize that managers as well as others in ALL SPORTS go into their respective Hall of Fames but based on PLAY, I didn't think Yao should be in. Next time read between the lines. Now YOU can go back to watching the Jersey Shore. I didn't think a simple comment would go over ones head,but apparently someone who would watch a show like that with those brain dead idiots, would miss my point.
I over-reacted, for that I apologize.
We just had poster after poster come in with ZERO clue about what actually gets someone in the HOF and despite repeatedly pointing this out and even linking to the list of past inductees with their accomplishments right next to their name...
So, to come to an informed decision you would have to check out Yao's total resume including his actions outside of the NBA and compare them to others.
So why is Detlef Shrmpf not in? He is the first decent German player to play in the NBA? Or what about Vlade Divac? I am sure Divac gobalized the game. Yao Mings international resume may be HOF but combined with his decent NBA career is not even to push him in the Hall of Fame.
So why is Detlef Shrmpf not in? He is the first decent German player to play in the NBA? Or what about Vlade Divac? I am sure Divac gobalized the game. Yao Mings international resume may be HOF but combined with his decent NBA career is not even to push him in the Hall of Fame.
Hi Matt, if you have not done so, please read the below. You'll find some other posts here from the likes of Mathguy and Rigas that echo what I'm posting below:
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Originally Posted by Greg1977
Can you really say those players did that to the same extent as Yao though? Note that I said IF he gets in, I haven't said definitively that he will. But IF he does, it will be for his promotional efforts globally and not based on his NBA resume.
These are his career highlights:
8× NBA All-Star: 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2011( admittedly a few of those shouldn't be)
5× All-NBA Team:
Second Team: 2007, 2009
Third Team: 2004, 2006, 2008
NBA All-Rookie First Team: 2003
NBA Rookie All-Star Game: 2004
Gold medal winner with Team China at the 2001, 2003, 2005 FIBA Asian Championship
MVP of the 2001, 2003, 2005 FIBA Asian Championship
All-Tournament Team, FIBA World Championship: 2002
Chinese Basketball Association Champion: 2001-02
Here's a bit of info off Wiki on his charity efforts:
Yao has also participated in many charity events during his career, including the NBA’s Basketball Without Borders program.[140] In the NBA's offseason in 2003, Yao hosted a telethon, which raised 300,000 U.S. dollars to help stop the spread of SARS.[141] In September 2007, he held an auction that raised 965,000 U.S. dollars (6.75 million yuan),[142] and competed in a charity basketball match to raise money for underprivileged children in China. He was joined by fellow NBA stars Steve Nash, Carmelo Anthony, and Baron Davis, and movie star Jackie Chan.[143] After the 2008 Sichuan earthquake, Yao donated $2 million to relief work, and created a foundation to help rebuild schools destroyed in the earthquake.[144]
Now whether this all adds up to a Hall of Fame career, I have no idea. I'm merely suggesting that a few factors could be considered, that add up in the decision of whether he is or isn't. I will say though, that the guy is a class act.
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Originally Posted by Greg1977
Take a look at the list of people in the NBA hall of fame. You'll see tons of names that aren't elite. Isn't a guy like dick vitale in the hall of fame? What was his contribution to basketball? Coining the phrase 'he's a PTPer,baby!'. Chick Hearn, the legendary Lakers play by play man was voted in for his commentary.
The reality is whether we agree with the criteria or not, entrance into the hall of fame isn't solely based on oncourt achievement,it's based on making a significant contribution to the game of basketball, which is a very broad term. One can make the argument that Yao ,with his various off-court charity work while representing the NBA, fits the description. Ultimately it's a decision for the hall of fame panel to decide....
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Originally Posted by Greg1977
He also acted as an ambassador for the game and did a TON of charity work and flying the NBA flag while doing so. I think most of us recognize that his NBA career isn't enough, on its own merit, to warrant HOF inclusion. However, if I was a HOF panel member, I would consider the following:
1) His NBA career
2) His international career
3) His charity work. Now I'm not sure whether he was doing it on behalf of the NBA, or of his own accord, but Basketball, and the NBA specifically, would have benefited from the positive exposure of Yao's actions. This is where 'a significant contribution to the game of basketball' comes into play. Just what a HOF member considers as a 'significant contribution', is a purely subjective thing.....
Add those things together, and you maybe have a case. Each point on its own basis, may not be enough. COMBINED though, and you could make a case.
So why is Detlef Shrmpf not in? He is the first decent German player to play in the NBA? Or what about Vlade Divac? I am sure Divac gobalized the game. Yao Mings international resume may be HOF but combined with his decent NBA career is not even to push him in the Hall of Fame.
Divac will get in EASILY, if you were to note his retirement date and the 5 year waiting period I believe this upcoming year is his first year of eligibility.
Schrempf has NOWHERE near the resume of Divac on the international level.
P.S. I have no idea what you are trying to say in your last sentence.
Add to Yao's accomplishments getting Barkley to kiss a jack ass on national TV.
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