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Old 10-30-2013, 01:31 PM
 
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The man will probably retire with more assists than Jordan and KObe combined. I also honestly believe Jordan keeps taking cheap shots at him because he feels threatened by him.

Lebron is more clutch than Kobe, yet Kobes nuthuggers tell how he is the alpha and the omega prime time.

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Old 10-30-2013, 01:53 PM
 
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Regardless of how Kobe does, Lebron is not clutch.
Playing every game from March 19th, 1995 until June 14th, 1998, that's clutch.
Flu game, that's clutch.
Game 6, 98 Pippen is injured, that's clutch.
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Old 10-30-2013, 02:13 PM
 
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The man will probably retire with more assists than Jordan and KObe combined. I also honestly believe Jordan keeps taking cheap shots at him because he feels threatened by him.

Lebron is more clutch than Kobe, yet Kobes nuthuggers tell how he is the alpha and the omega prime time.

Kobe vs LeBron clutch | Swish NBA
More clutch than Kobe? No lol. LeBron's a better passer though. I'll give you that.
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Old 10-30-2013, 02:22 PM
 
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More clutch than Kobe? No lol. LeBron's a better passer though. I'll give you that.


[CENTER]Post Season; a shot to tie or take the lead[/CENTER]
Last 24 seconds
Kobe: 7 for 28 (25.0%)
LeBron: 7 for 17 (41.1%)
A screenshot of Jordan vs LeBron vs Kobe in the clutch. The screenshot is an old one however Kobe’s and LeBron’s numbers have been updated.

Last 30 seconds
Kobe: 7 for 28 (25.0%) (0 for 8 from the 09 post season till present day)
LeBron: 9 for 19 (47.30%)
Last 2 minutes
Kobe: 17 for 50 (34%) (0 for 8 in the last two playoffs; 2010 and 2011)
LeBron: 21 for 43 (48.8%)
Last 5 minutes
Kobe (since 01 season): 30 for 88 (34.09%)
LeBron: (since 06 season): 36 for 74 (48.6%)
Conclusion: In the last 24 seconds and 30 seconds of a post season game Kobe only shoots 25%, which is terrible. LeBron however is clearly ‘more clutch’ shooting 41% in the last 24 seconds and 47% in the last 30 seconds of a game. This disparity between LeBron and Kobe continues as in the last 2 minutes and 5 minutes of a game LeBron shoots 14% higher than Kobe in both circumstances. Overall LeBron is more ‘clutch’ in a land-slide.
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Old 10-30-2013, 04:12 PM
 
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2012 Postseason, 4QT or OT, <30 Seconds:
Lebron = 3/8
Kobe = 2/7

2011 PS, 4QT or OT, <30 Seconds
Lebron = 4/8
Kobe = 0/5

2010 PS, 4QT or OT, <30 Seconds
Lebron = 2/2
Kobe = 5/13

2009 PS, 4QT or OT, <30 Seconds
Lebron = 3/10
Kobe = 3/9

2008 PS, 4QT or OT, <30 Seconds
Lebron = 0/6
Kobe = 1/5

2007 PS, 4QT or OT, <30 Seconds
Lebron = 8/13
Kobe = N/A

2006 PS, 4QT or OT, <30 Seconds
Lebron = 3/8
Kobe = 5/11

With the exception of 2011, you can't make a case for either. You can say LeBron made more shots, but one thing is Kobe didn't take any "clutch" shots in 2007. This research also has restrictions, as Kobe's played a lot longer than Lebron, and I could put those stats up if you'd like. Also, these are just overall FG. They don't take into account FT's, which should be accounted for in this clutch discussion as most of these situations can live or die by FT's.

As for assists, of course Lebron gets more assists, that's his play style. Kobe and MJ are more shooters.

Now, back to the topic at hand. Being "disrespected" comes with the territory. You'll always have people hating great players. One of the big things that made him an easy target was The Decision.
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Old 10-30-2013, 04:41 PM
 
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Now, back to the topic at hand. Being "disrespected" comes with the territory. You'll always have people hating great players. One of the big things that made him an easy target was The Decision.
Prior to leaving Cleveland, I held as much regard/respect for Lebron as I did Kobe. Not a big fan, but definitely acknowledge Kobe's abilities and respect him and definitely respect his titles. But I just cannot respect Lebron who, while skilled, joined 2 players who could lead their own teams, to get his titles.

And what makes matters worse is that Lebron's fans act like he is the best thing to ever put on a jersey when there are at least 10 other people above him, among them Kobe and MJ, whose skills and abilities far surpass Lebron's.
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Old 10-30-2013, 04:44 PM
 
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"Clutch" is more than just the last few seconds of the clock. Clutch is also making a momentum breaking shot that stops a run. Clutch is also making a big shot that basically closes the door on the other team's hopes of winning. Clutch is also getting a key rebound and put back. Clutch is also making a key defensive stop.

"Clutch" can be measured in multiple ways. Reducing it to the last 30 seconds of a game is arbitrary. Using stats to prove one player more clutch than the other is a pointless exercise.
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Old 10-30-2013, 04:47 PM
 
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[CENTER]Post Season; a shot to tie or take the lead[/CENTER]
Last 24 seconds
Kobe: 7 for 28 (25.0%)
LeBron: 7 for 17 (41.1%)
A screenshot of Jordan vs LeBron vs Kobe in the clutch. The screenshot is an old one however Kobe’s and LeBron’s numbers have been updated.

Last 30 seconds
Kobe: 7 for 28 (25.0%) (0 for 8 from the 09 post season till present day)
LeBron: 9 for 19 (47.30%)
Last 2 minutes
Kobe: 17 for 50 (34%) (0 for 8 in the last two playoffs; 2010 and 2011)
LeBron: 21 for 43 (48.8%)
Last 5 minutes
Kobe (since 01 season): 30 for 88 (34.09%)
LeBron: (since 06 season): 36 for 74 (48.6%)
Conclusion: In the last 24 seconds and 30 seconds of a post season game Kobe only shoots 25%, which is terrible. LeBron however is clearly ‘more clutch’ shooting 41% in the last 24 seconds and 47% in the last 30 seconds of a game. This disparity between LeBron and Kobe continues as in the last 2 minutes and 5 minutes of a game LeBron shoots 14% higher than Kobe in both circumstances. Overall LeBron is more ‘clutch’ in a land-slide.
There's no real stat for clutch moments. Most of LeBron's game winners are within two feet of the basket anyway. I will give LeBron props for his performance in the finals against Spurs. He hit some big shots, but he always seemed to shrink in big situations and there's too many to name.

You will never see Kobe defer in big moments.
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Old 10-30-2013, 04:53 PM
 
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Prior to leaving Cleveland, I held as much regard/respect for Lebron as I did Kobe. Not a big fan, but definitely acknowledge Kobe's abilities and respect him and definitely respect his titles. But I just cannot respect Lebron who, while skilled, joined 2 players who could lead their own teams, to get his titles.

And what makes matters worse is that Lebron's fans act like he is the best thing to ever put on a jersey when there are at least 10 other people above him, among them Kobe and MJ, whose skills and abilities far surpass Lebron's.


Oh blah blah blah. Lebron was more than patient with Cleveland. Kobe was just fortunate to walk into a situation with one of the greatest big men and greatest coaches of all time. Lebron had no such luxury! Jordan also had this same coach and a top 40 all time great Pippen. THink what you want, Lebron will shred both of their accomplishments, and will do it with the dignity and grace of never treating him teammates like sh * t the way the ever beloved Kobe and jordan did!
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Old 10-30-2013, 05:01 PM
 
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Prior to leaving Cleveland, I held as much regard/respect for Lebron as I did Kobe. Not a big fan, but definitely acknowledge Kobe's abilities and respect him and definitely respect his titles. But I just cannot respect Lebron who, while skilled, joined 2 players who could lead their own teams, to get his titles.

And what makes matters worse is that Lebron's fans act like he is the best thing to ever put on a jersey when there are at least 10 other people above him, among them Kobe and MJ, whose skills and abilities far surpass Lebron's.
As for those other two players, one was hurt and the other didnt show up in the Finals. Pippen and Shaq had far more significant impacts in the Finals to help Jordan and Kobe respectively.

Your definition of skill must be different than mine. I have never known a player in the NBA who can play consistently .all 5 positions on the floor if need be, other than Lebron. Multidimensional=skillful
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