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Game 4 was a physical game all around. They really didn't blow the whistle on drives to the basket or for blatant holding around the hips for guys coming around screens (which is what Irving and Shumpert did to Curry all series). The Warriors won that game and then everyone, including you, accused them of playing unfair. But I thought the big knock on last year's Warriors was that the hand-checking, hacking, pushing and shoving would make them fall apart.
I don't see how more a physical game would work to Cleveland's benefit when they decisively lost the most physical game of their season against the Warriors.
And this didn't happen???
I don't know if I 'm not explaining this well enough or you don't agree or you like to argue or all the above or none of the above...
In two back to back series with these teams I've seen guys get knocked down at the hoop with no call. This was no DWade vs. Dallas a decade ago. That's a Warrior advantage. The Cavs have arguably two of the best at getting to the rim. Early in the series the bumps, hacks, body checks at the hoop were going uncalled and Lebron and Kyrie got no call and didn't finish. It got to a point where Iggy (hobbled by injury) couldn't absorb or give contact on some of those drives. I thought the Cavs did a better job of finishing through contact as the series went on, I thought the Refs tightened up a wee bit inside as the series went on (or so it seemed) and probably the most important factor Lebron and Kyrie posed enough game on the perimeter to add another wrinkle that the Dubs had to defend.
The perimeter calls "nickel dimers" the hand checks, the running through screens, hacks, little pushes. I thought were called at some points and not at others. Dubs are perimeter team (Cavs made them more dribble perimeter jump shooting than their typical ball movement swinging it around find the open guy) part of this was the Cavs ability to fight through screens- I'll admit we fouled here and there fighting through screens. The calls and lack of physical play on the perimeter no doubt about it would benefit GSW.
They didn't fall apart because of Cleveland's physical play. There was no other game in that series that even came close to the physicality of Game 4.
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Originally Posted by eastcoastbias
I don't know if I 'm not explaining this well enough or you don't agree or you like to argue or all the above or none of the above...
It sounds like you just want refereeing that benefits the Cavs in all respects and disadvantages the Warriors in all respects. You want the refs to blow the whistle when Lebron drives to the basket but you want the refs to "let them play" when they are holding Curry around his waist and using arm bars to keep him from running around screens. That sounds fair, I guess.
Everyone seems to complain about the lack of 1980s "Bad Boy Pistons" basketball and that's exactly what Game 4 of the Finals was, if not worse. But I guess that was too physical and then people complained that a happy medium had not been achieved.
They didn't fall apart because of Cleveland's physical play.
It sounds like you just want refereeing that benefits the Cavs in all respects and disadvantages the Warriors in all respects. You want the refs to blow the whistle when Lebron drives to the basket but you want the refs to "let them play" when they are holding Curry around his waist and using arm bars to keep him from running around screens. That sounds fair, I guess.
Everyone seems to complain about the lack of 1980s "Bad Boy Pistons" basketball and that's exactly what Game 4 of the Finals was, if not worse. But I guess that was too physical and then people complained that a happy medium had not been achieved.
Objectively speaking, Not at all. My original statement regarding the Cavs repeating I asked how are the refs calling the games. If they call the bumps and hand checks on the perimeter closely I'd take the Warriors. If they let them play as it appeared to be the case (in pivotal moments) advantage Cavs. Now as a Cavs fan I'd love to see let'em play approach especially on the perimeter. I was glad Lebron and Co. played through contact better when they drove to the rim as the series went on.
I think Irving outplaying Curry was just as important as the Cavs physical perimeter play. I hope Irving can replicate it.
I think there is apparent advantage to roughing up Curry and also not so much roughing up but having a guy like Kyrie keep him honest on the other end. I've said in here before that Curry is an overrated defender- he was put in foul trouble quite a bit too when he got ejected I thought a few of the foul calls were instances where they should have let them play, but as a whole he held just as much as anyone that series.
Objectively speaking, Not at all. My original statement regarding the Cavs repeating I asked how are the refs calling the games. If they call the bumps and hand checks on the perimeter closely I'd take the Warriors. If they let them play as it appeared to be the case (in pivotal moments) advantage Cavs. Now as a Cavs fan I'd love to see let'em play approach especially on the perimeter. I was glad Lebron and Co. played through contact better when they drove to the rim as the series went on.
I think there is apparent advantage to roughing up Curry and also not so much roughing up but having a guy like Kyrie keep him honest on the other end
I don't see reffing being any type of factor in a Cavs-Warriors series. I think it's more likely to come down to how vulnerable the Warriors are in the absence of Andrew Bogut. They still don't have a true rim protector and the rookie they drafted is obviously untested.
The Warriors should be better on the glass, however.
I don't see reffing being any type of factor in a Cavs-Warriors series. I think it's more likely to come down to how vulnerable the Warriors are in the absence of Andrew Bogut. They still don't have a true rim protector and the rookie they drafted is obviously untested.
The Warriors should be better on the glass, however.
Normally I'd agree and I agree 100% and think the Bogut loss is huge and was huge when he was out of the series this past year.
These are two evenly matched teams. Any advantage will be huge. If the Cavs can't disrupt their shooters and get away with a little contact I can't see them winning again.
Normally I'd agree and I agree 100% and think the Bogut loss is huge and was huge when he was out of the series this past year.
These are two evenly matched teams. Any advantage will be huge. If the Cavs can't disrupt their shooters and get away with a little contact I can't see them winning again.
Bogut wasn't really effective in either series against the Cavs. He got sent to the bench in 2015 and played a couple of good games this year before nosediving. But he's a competent body that can chew up some minutes in the rotation until the Warriors need to go small. I'm not sure who can do that now.
The Cavs and Warriors aren't evenly matched, at least not on paper. The Warriors are HUGE favorites heading into this season with the last 2 MVP winners on their team. Whether that translates into rings or not remains to be seen.
Bogut wasn't really effective in either series against the Cavs. He got sent to the bench in 2015 and played a couple of good games this year before nosediving. But he's a competent body that can chew up some minutes in the rotation until the Warriors need to go small. I'm not sure who can do that now.
The Cavs and Warriors aren't evenly matched, at least not on paper. The Warriors are HUGE favorites heading into this season with the last 2 MVP winners on their team. Whether that translates into rings or not remains to be seen.
From a scoring standpoint I agree with you. But I don't think it's a coincidence that Tristan Thompson played a little better and really had the impact most Cavs fans expected when Bogut was out.
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