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Old 03-13-2017, 08:39 AM
 
Location: Trumbull/Danbury
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surely you got something better to complain about. the pac12 have no legit shot at anything but losing early.

the acc is where the muscle is
the zags getting a #1 is what is suspect.


Of the potential teams for a 1 seed (Gonzaga, UCLA, Oregon, Arizona, North Carolina, Kentucky, Villanova, Kansas) only 3 of those teams (Gonzaga, Kentucky, Villanova) were outright regular season champions that won the conference tournament and a 4th (Arizona) finished tied for the regular season championship and than won the conference tournament. So, by that metric alone they should have been a 1 seed. They also had the fewest losses and the highest winning percentage of any of the 68 teams in the field.

 
Old 03-13-2017, 10:05 AM
 
Location: New Albany, Indiana (Greater Louisville)
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Louisville got a tough draw against a surging Michigan 7 seed. Cincinnati is a very dangerous 6 seed that only lost 4 times all year. Wichita State as a 10 seed is a complete joke and a disservice to their opponents, Dayton and probably Kentucky in round 2.


This year elite teams haven't been as Elite. I'm going with mostly non 1 seeds for my Final Four: North Carolina, Arizona, Florida, Michigan.
 
Old 03-13-2017, 10:43 AM
 
Location: Research Triangle Area, NC
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Louisville got a tough draw against a surging Michigan 7 seed. Cincinnati is a very dangerous 6 seed that only lost 4 times all year. Wichita State as a 10 seed is a complete joke and a disservice to their opponents, Dayton and probably Kentucky in round 2.


This year elite teams haven't been as Elite. I'm going with mostly non 1 seeds for my Final Four: North Carolina, Arizona, Florida, Michigan.
I have dook squeaking by Arizona in the elite 8....I'd be more than happy to be wrong though!

And yes on my bracket it is spelled "dook"
 
Old 03-13-2017, 11:45 AM
 
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I have dook squeaking by Arizona in the elite 8....I'd be more than happy to be wrong though!

And yes on my bracket it is spelled "dook"
"Dook" isn't in the same region.
 
Old 03-13-2017, 12:06 PM
 
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Doesn't really matter what the middle or bottom of the conference does. I guess you could argue USC and Cal are decent, but I won't go there, doesn't matter. Louisville has a chance I suppose, but I'm skeptical. I don't believe in ND, and FSU has been somewhat of a train wreck lately.
FSU has beat Minnesota, Florida, Virginia, VT x2, Duke, ND, Louisville and Miami x2. Id say their resume is better than any Pac12 team.

And it does matter what the middle and bottom of the conference does - if those teams are good, the top teams in the conference have a much higher chance of racking up losses. Other than maybe BC or Pitt, there were no easy wins in the ACC this year. Therefore you have a Duke at 27-8 instead of say 31-4 (#1 seed)....or Virginia at 22-10 instead of 26-6 (1 or 2 seed). If you look at kenpom, the Pac12 doesn't have a single team ranked in the top 15 - the ACC has 4 (Virginia, UNC, Duke, Louisville).
 
Old 03-13-2017, 12:17 PM
 
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FSU has beat Minnesota, Florida, Virginia, VT x2, Duke, ND, Louisville and Miami x2. Id say their resume is better than any Pac12 team.

And it does matter what the middle and bottom of the conference does - if those teams are good, the top teams in the conference have a much higher chance of racking up losses. Other than maybe BC or Pitt, there were no easy wins in the ACC this year. Therefore you have a Duke at 27-8 instead of say 31-4 (#1 seed)....or Virginia at 22-10 instead of 26-6 (1 or 2 seed). If you look at kenpom, the Pac12 doesn't have a single team ranked in the top 15 - the ACC has 4 (Virginia, UNC, Duke, Louisville).
Ken Pom rankings may not do Zona justice.


Zona, could easily be rated higher. Trier is back. They have half their loses without him. They have 9-1 road record and maybe one of the best offenses in all of college basketball.
 
Old 03-13-2017, 12:19 PM
 
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FSU was great, then they lost to GT, Syracuse, ND, and Pitt (all unranked at the time). They have fallen apart. When top teams were getting upset a month or two ago, FSU was usually involved.

It really doesn't matter. It's a little like the NBA. The western conference may be better than the east as a whole, but how many teams have a legitimate shot to beat Cleveland in the finals? 1 or 2.

If you're trying to convince me FSU would beat Arizona or Oregon, I won't believe it til I see it.
 
Old 03-13-2017, 12:23 PM
 
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Ken Pom rankings may not do Zona justice.


Zona, could easily be rated higher. Trier is back. They have half their loses without him. They have 9-1 road record and maybe one of the best offenses in all of college basketball.
I've watched some of their games this year, and they are really good. I'm impressed. I remember watching Ohio State's run to the final 4 a few years ago, and it was mostly Aaron Craft playing great defense and a boring slow game. Zona is extremely athletic this year. They'll also have a HUGE homecourt advantage if they can get by FSU and Gonzaga.
 
Old 03-13-2017, 12:34 PM
 
Location: Research Triangle Area, NC
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"Dook" isn't in the same region.
Don't know why I said elite 8....definitely meant final 4. Arizona does win at not having DST to mess with them that Monday morning!
 
Old 03-13-2017, 12:49 PM
 
Location: Lexington, KY
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Kentucky is peaking at the right time. Defense is much better than it was even a month ago. De'Aaron Fox has fully recovered from his injuries and was virtually unguardable at the SEC tournament. Upperclassmen are also playing a significant role now. I'm looking forward to a potential revenge game against UCLA in the Sweet 16.
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