How much money to save to get few acres in Big Island (Hilo: to buy, organic)

[Kansoku]

I am trying to explore the option of living a self-sufficient fruitarian life raising organic tropical fruits in a piece of land (maybe 5 acres?) on Big Island of Hawaii.

About how much money would you have to save to get few acres on a spot with no vogs and plenty of rain?

[leilaniguy]

Plenty of rain would be in Puna, Hilo, Hamakua districts. Nowhere on Big Island is free from vog. The land in Puna is by far cheaper than Hilo or Hamakua, but I wouldn't call it farmland. You can buy an acre of hot Puna lava for as little as $4,000. Land you could actually live on (not necessarily farm), starts at about $12,000/acre right now.

[winkosmosis]

I highly doubt you can grow enough fruit to sustain a single person on 5 acres of land.

Not only that, a fruitarian diet is unhealthy for humans. We're omnivores. You need the nutrients from meat and fish.

[Vaedrem]

Originally Posted by winkosmosis

I highly doubt you can grow enough fruit to sustain a single person on 5 acres of land.

Of course five acres is enough to sustain a single person! You plant an avocado tree for every season, then you start on a big patch of bananas, and you still have enough room for other rich, highly productive fruits like mameys, atemoyas, black sapotes, mangos, jackfruit, durian, coconuts...people do it in Puna (I can't speak for land prices, though.) Sometimes you really have to build up the soil, but it's doable.

Lastly, "we" are not any one "vore" or other; we all choose what we eat, there is no such thing as a natural human diet, and vegetarians/vegans are very healthy without meat or fish; fruitarianism does have varying results, but not because of that. So please keep your personal classification for you alone.

[winkosmosis]

Originally Posted by Vaedrem

Of course five acres is enough to sustain a single person! You plant an avocado tree for every season, then you start on a big patch of bananas, and you still have enough room for other rich, highly productive fruits like mameys, atemoyas, black sapotes, mangos, jackfruit, durian, coconuts...people do it in Puna (I can't speak for land prices, though.) Sometimes you really have to build up the soil, but it's doable.

Lastly, "we" are not any one "vore" or other; we all choose what we eat, there is no such thing as a natural human diet, and vegetarians/vegans are very healthy without meat or fish; fruitarianism does have varying results, but not because of that. So please keep your personal classification for you alone.

No, vegans are not healthy unless they take supplements. Humans evolved eating an omnivorous diet. That's why If it wasn't for the high quality protein in meat and fish, we would never have evolved such brains.

If you look at the actual biology, it becomes really clear that we are omnivores. Our digestive tracts are somewhere between the length of herbivores and carnivores, and most like omnivores like bears and pigs. We have teeth for both tearing flesh and crunching plants. We are even physically capable of digesting raw meat and fish. If humans weren't omnivores, we wouldn't have any desire or ability to eat meat. Ever try to feed meat to a rabbit or goat?

BTW, did you hear about the baby that died a couple weeks ago because the mother ate a vegan diet so her breast milk didn't contain any B12? There are serious risks with forcing your body and brain to survive on a diet it didn't evolve for.

Edit: Here's an article for you. It's fact and science based, not belief based. http://www.biology-online.org/articl...omnivores.html

[PacificFlights]

Originally Posted by Kansoku

I am trying to explore the option of living a self-sufficient fruitarian life raising organic tropical fruits in a piece of land (maybe 5 acres?) on Big Island of Hawaii.

About how much money would you have to save to get few acres on a spot with no vogs and plenty of rain?

Im sure you know that even if you live a self subtain life you need non self sustain things to live that life. You have to pay property taxes, you need to buy the seeds or planings to start out, you need to get to town for stuff and walking isn;t always the best option, you need to have money to pay for foods you cant grow. What about health care? What about building supplies for the house? I don;t know anyone who lived off the land without some resources to be able to live.

[McFrostyJ]

Ok, what if he raises as many fruits and veggies and nuts as he can, and goes fishing once in awhile?
:-)

[PacificFlights]

depend on where he buy the property, it can be a heck of a hike to the water. Don;t know about you but walking 20 miles to fish and 20 miles back up the mountain isnt so appealing as stopping at KTA.

[mdand3boys]

I would be wary of a fruitarian diet. It could be helping to lead one towards future diabetes...Too many sugars for the old pancreas.

[Vaedrem]

Originally Posted by winkosmosis

I don't really know about vegans...

There are many sources that say we are another "vore" so instead of cherry-picking the science via the internet like you, I will just say this; you get to define you, not me. I've never eaten meat in my life, my blood tests come back clean, my doctor says I'm exceptionally healthy (same with some vegans I know who haven't taken supplements in decades, but I don't know many people, meat-eating or not, who don't take supplements.) So guess what, I am not a "vore" that eats animals and plants. Humans evolved to be opportunistic eaters able to live on almost anything, and to have choice.

It's just like people say that all humans are naturally heterosexual but there are just some deviant, perverted sinners who dare go to against that (and with anthropological philosophy disguised as "science" and a whole bevy of unexamined personal prejudices to back that up to.) But that attitude has changed; many more now accept that it is up the individual to define themselves, not a disinterested majority invested in their own arbitrary cultural practices and just unable understand why anyone else wouldn't want to participate in them. But there is more on the earth than you have dreamed of, so don't try to push your personal definitions on other people.

Did you hear of all the non-vegan babies that died last week? No, I guess their stories couldn't be spun for the tabloids. That's all I'm going to say about that.


The potential issue for a fruitarian diet is the lack of greens and vegetables, but some people that call themselves fruitarians eat other things too.