11-05-2015, 07:05 AM
Location: Arvada
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Hey guys I’m poppin my CHERRY with the first thread
! Just wanted to give my respected Alohas to some of the people on here. I recently joined and have been reading a lot of this Forum, amazing resource! Such knowledgeable folks you are. A place I hope to come back to for guidance and through time I can share my insight too..
For anyone who cares for a read..
I want to buy 3-6 acres and with time slowly build up. Build up the soil, biomass and create sustainable systems with a nice cabin or two (maybe a few discrete container homes, I mean ugh Agricultural structures!" for people who have supported us $ ). Id love to have this ideal magical food forrest but it seems our only options are to buy in Orchidland or Hawaiian Acres. And building up organics there will take some time, thats for sure..
Dreams got kaput when 600yr Pele free 3.4 acre property sold off Sadilek road in jungle land WaaWaa got reduced $20k to $55k and was off the market a week later (April 15'). I still wanted it even after getting eaten alive by LFR when doing a machete crazed walk through last January. Them bastards are evil. And the potential is scary..
Fresher lava and ohia trees are where my budget takes me. I won’t spend more than $40-60K for 6 acres. I think 3 would totally suffice but if its a spaghetti lot, there will be regrets not buying adjacents… I need privacy and righteous neighbors.
Lower elevation would be ideal. All my energy will be spent on an aquaponic system from the start. Talapia will be too difficult i think in Hawaiian acres and maybe even in parts of Orchidland?
Orchidland has some issues with flooding and traffic I hear.. Did they ever put that traffic light in off Pohaku Dr. and !30?!
Hawaiian Acres just seems too far for us and far from the best of coastal Pahoa. Red Cinder road/ Pinnaple farms road, govt road. Magical but maybe not practical with the uncertainties and having to go into town for income.
Any suggestions you all may have regarding where to focus my land prospecting efforts to, I would really appreciate them.
Alohaliving is a great resource I've been monitoring.
Maybe I just gotta know someone who knows someone who knows someone selling a piece of their land.
There was a guy apparently splitting up a huge acreage into like 50- 1.5-3 acres parcels off of NONI FARMS ROAD of Hwy 132. Anyone heard of this?!
Again any insight would be awesome. Thanks for reading.
Mahalo
Jim
(I've been working in Waianae Oahu for the past 3 winters on a small aquaponic farm. Currently in Germany but the plan is to move back to Waianae- kama'aina stylie, this coming Summer. We thought about living and working in Oahu for 1-4 years and bouncing back and forth to make progressions, but still not too sure.. )
11-05-2015, 09:40 AM
Location: Juneau, AK + Puna, HI
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Sounds like your heart is set on lower Puna. My suggestion is to rent there for awhile and make sure it's the place for you.
11-05-2015, 04:14 PM
Location: Pahoa Hawaii
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Check the MLS, there are 2 parcels for sale on Sadilek Rd. right now for $72K and $75K. Both are 3.44 acres. Make an offer, they may take it.
11-06-2015, 02:42 AM
Location: Arvada
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Ok great, i'll have a look. Ya I agree, renting for awhile and with boots on the ground making the right connections, might be more sensible than buying too prematurely or buying remotely. I know the areas fairly well, but still way too many variables to consider in making this decision. Thanks for the input guys.
11-06-2015, 12:22 PM
Location: Moku Nui, Hawaii
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I've known of a few folks who bought land or a house without being here on island first that weren't able to make it because of the choice. It looked good online, but in real life, there were difficulties. Variable reasons such as too far away from supplies & employment possibilities or wrong topography, bad neighbors, etc.
11-06-2015, 12:56 PM
Location: Pahoa Hawaii
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Always best to know the area. The OP seems to know the area pretty well already, just got a few names wrong. (I think you meant Papaya farm road.)
11-06-2015, 01:47 PM
Location: somewhere in the Kona coffee fields
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The property size is too small to get a profitable farm operation going. You need to specialize into a high value food crop and build a market for it ( i.e. mushrooms, vanilla). That takes time and years of now income and only expenses. It's a widespread illusion in this area that you can work the land, build infrastructure, fight nature (LFR, lava, rat-lung worm, etc) find no-or-low-cost labor, and still be on farmers markets to magically sell all you grow. There's not enough money left for gas, health insurance, cell phone plans etc.
11-06-2015, 02:21 PM
Location: Juneau, AK + Puna, HI
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KaraBenNemsi
The property size is too small to get a profitable farm operation going. ).
I had the impression that the plan was to feed himself and perhaps augment another primary income. He did mention travelling to town in order to work.
11-06-2015, 10:21 PM
Location: Pahoa Hawaii
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Most people in Puna that succeed get it together to work that way. If you can, can.
11-07-2015, 09:16 AM
Location: Arvada
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From what I've experienced, it takes a lot of creativity and skill sets to make it work on the Big Island.. Just trying to be as realistic as possible and know it will take more time, heartache and budgeted finances to get to where my visions are. Through that permaculturist mindset, plan is to eventually be self sufficient with very little monthly expenses. And I know having those right connections will make or break us as well. I guess I need to get back out there asap and spread them good vibes, Law of Attraction! Anyways vielen dank für the feedback everyone.
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House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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