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Old 01-25-2013, 08:41 PM
 
Location: Ocala, FL
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Olliesyd,

I am afraid no matter what I say will make any difference in you thoughts or opinions on the matter. I won't try to argue any further with you. I have expressed my opinions and you have yours. Let's leave it at that and avoid a flame war. Perhaps my example was not the best one and I can live with that. Hopefully you can agree to disagree with me. No harm meant.
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Old 01-26-2013, 07:34 PM
 
Location: Sydney, Australia
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Olliesyd,

I am afraid no matter what I say will make any difference in you thoughts or opinions on the matter. I won't try to argue any further with you. I have expressed my opinions and you have yours. Let's leave it at that and avoid a flame war. Perhaps my example was not the best one and I can live with that. Hopefully you can agree to disagree with me. No harm meant.
Sorry I'm not arguing with you?! We haven't had any interaction at all other than when you quoted one of my comments and mentioned something about keeping children in bedrooms or something. I was just asking what the child and bedroom comment is about - honestly I am just totally intrigued.
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Old 01-26-2013, 07:37 PM
 
Location: Sydney, Australia
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Sorry if I said you were painting all breeders as inhumane, Olliesyd actually did that.
Did I?

Up until I saw your above post I had only made one brief comment on this thread which was:

"Yes, personally I find keeping a bird in a cage incredibly cruel. They have wings for a reason"

Where exactly did I say "people who keep birds are inhuman"?

??

Very odd thing to make up...
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Old 01-26-2013, 07:41 PM
 
Location: Ocala, FL
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Olliesyd,

I am done with this debate. I apologized for my comparison of a child in a bedroom since it was a poor choice on my part. I have offered my opinion which differs from yours. Have a good day.
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Old 01-27-2013, 10:21 AM
 
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My 19 year old Cockatiel loves his cage. The first year or two we had him, we used to let him fly around the house, but this made him a nervous wreck. He was only happy in his cage with his mirror, toys, and window to look out. So that's where he has stayed for about 17 years. All he has known/likes is his cage. Call me cruel if you want, but my bird seems happy.
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Old 01-27-2013, 03:18 PM
 
Location: North Western NJ
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i belive i made the coment that a birds cage is like a childs bedroom, its SUPPOSED to be a safe comfortable space wwhen you cant supervise them

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Birds have wings for the purpose of flying. Most birds in captivity are not in kept in flight cages.
jacks not in a flight cage, tough his cage is big enough for him to stretch 100% PLUS some and flap fully as hard as he can without even comming close to touching the walls.
jck is a MACAW...
jack has wings, they are NOT clipped he is fully flighted..if he wants to fly he can... and he knows he can...yet i more often than not find himself WALKING everywhere possible...he could fly form his cage to the kitchen, but instead ill turn around and hes on the floor behind my feet following me...
he CAN fly and he chooses not to...
his cage is RARELY closed (again his cage is a "bedroom" just like the dogs crates, hes in it and locked in ONLY when nessicay for his own saftey...(ie im having a shower, or have to go get groceries ect) he can come and go as he pleases during about 90% of the waking day...he can fly freely round the house...
and in the summer when i put his harness on he has a fligth line and can easily and safely fly outdoors (while still being unable to get caught in an updraft or spooked ect) and he CHOOSES not to...hed much rather be chilling on his tree, forraging/eating or snuggling with me.

bird FLY becuase they have to, parrots spend MOST of their day forraging for food, they fly form feeding ground to nesting spot and spent the maority of the rest of the day on the ground and in trees, enjoying eachother, preening, playing by hanging off branches and forraging for nuts seeds and berries by walking and climbing...

YES seeing a bird fly is a beautiful thing for us humans...but for birds its a SURVIVAL mechanism...
jack feels aboslulty no NEED to fly, or he would...so that tells me flight is MUCH less "wonderfull" in a birds life than it for a human seeing the beauty of it...most of the time if they are flying its because they HAVE to...birds in captivity dont HAVE to fly.

even in huge zoo aviaries plenty big enough for flight most hookbill species wll spend the majority of the day wandring about, climbing and swinging...you remove the threat of predation and the need to fly from food to sleep areas and many birds CHOOSE not to fly.
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Old 01-28-2013, 04:46 PM
 
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i belive i made the coment that a birds cage is like a childs bedroom, its SUPPOSED to be a safe comfortable space wwhen you cant supervise them

and again


jacks not in a flight cage, tough his cage is big enough for him to stretch 100% PLUS some and flap fully as hard as he can without even comming close to touching the walls.
jck is a MACAW...
jack has wings, they are NOT clipped he is fully flighted..if he wants to fly he can... and he knows he can...yet i more often than not find himself WALKING everywhere possible...he could fly form his cage to the kitchen, but instead ill turn around and hes on the floor behind my feet following me...
he CAN fly and he chooses not to...
his cage is RARELY closed (again his cage is a "bedroom" just like the dogs crates, hes in it and locked in ONLY when nessicay for his own saftey...(ie im having a shower, or have to go get groceries ect) he can come and go as he pleases during about 90% of the waking day...he can fly freely round the house...
and in the summer when i put his harness on he has a fligth line and can easily and safely fly outdoors (while still being unable to get caught in an updraft or spooked ect) and he CHOOSES not to...hed much rather be chilling on his tree, forraging/eating or snuggling with me.

bird FLY becuase they have to, parrots spend MOST of their day forraging for food, they fly form feeding ground to nesting spot and spent the maority of the rest of the day on the ground and in trees, enjoying eachother, preening, playing by hanging off branches and forraging for nuts seeds and berries by walking and climbing...

YES seeing a bird fly is a beautiful thing for us humans...but for birds its a SURVIVAL mechanism...
jack feels aboslulty no NEED to fly, or he would...so that tells me flight is MUCH less "wonderfull" in a birds life than it for a human seeing the beauty of it...most of the time if they are flying its because they HAVE to...birds in captivity dont HAVE to fly.

even in huge zoo aviaries plenty big enough for flight most hookbill species wll spend the majority of the day wandring about, climbing and swinging...you remove the threat of predation and the need to fly from food to sleep areas and many birds CHOOSE not to fly.
I think there's a lot of truth in what you say. We humans tend to romanticize and project human feelings where they may not necessarily belong.
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Old 02-12-2013, 08:30 PM
 
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I wouldn't want to cage my birds.

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Old 02-12-2013, 10:10 PM
 
Location: North Western NJ
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lol, if i tried that with jack jack thered be no plants left! lol!
love it though!
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Old 02-13-2013, 09:27 AM
 
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lol, if i tried that with jack jack thered be no plants left! lol!
love it though!
That was two weeks ago. That tree no longer has leaves and all of the bark has been stripped off, it's since been replaced with a man made tree.

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