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Old 09-18-2013, 11:06 AM
 
Location: Ocala, FL
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In that sense, should cat, dog or any other animal ownership be outlawed ? I have to respectfully disagree with your thoughts there.

Everything in moderation.....
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Old 09-25-2013, 06:51 PM
 
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Do you think keep pet birds in cages is cruel?

I think the greatest thing about being a bird is the ability to fly - to soar above the skies, a freedom that other creatures can only envy. So to confine a bird to a cage where it can barely fly at all is, I think, kind of cruel.

Some may think I'm a hypocrite because I'm an aquarist, but I think the two are fundamentally different. For a start, fish still get to swim in tanks, while birds hardly get to even fly at all in cages, unless you have a very large aviary. Also, most fish are pretty small relative to the size of their tanks. I also consider keeping goldfish in bowls or bettas in tiny containers equally cruel.

Ideally, bird owners would allow their birds to 'roam free' for at least an hour every day - although that is obviously problematic. I'm not crusading against bird-keeping as a hobby, although I personally feel keeping birds in cages is denying them an inborn right.
Of course it is cruel! Common sense! I would only do that if it were to literally save the life of the bird and then have it put into the most bird-like environment possible if it were not able to survive in the wild.

It is a disgrace how we keep birds as pets in cages or restrictive areas that do not allow them to live as free birds. We breed them over and over again, very very selfish and cruel.
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Old 09-25-2013, 06:52 PM
 
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In that sense, should cat, dog or any other animal ownership be outlawed ? I have to respectfully disagree with your thoughts there.

Everything in moderation.....

Cats and dogs don't need the freedom to fly in the open.
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Old 09-25-2013, 08:04 PM
 
Location: Ocala, FL
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Cats and dogs don't need the freedom to fly in the open.
Of course they can't fly, but they run on the ground. Is it cruel to keep them indoors ?

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Old 09-26-2013, 09:20 AM
 
Location: Ocala, FL
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Cats and dogs don't need the freedom to fly in the open.
How about in fenced yard?

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Old 10-02-2013, 12:06 AM
 
Location: Central Bay Area, CA as of Jan 2010...but still a proud Texan from Houston!
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Of course they can't fly, but they run on the ground. Is it cruel to keep them indoors ?
Yes...especially large dogs. Cats are natural born hunters and love to prowl around. Cruel is not the word I would use but certainly not right to keep them indoors 24/7.

Birds are designed to fly and really enjoy flying. Caging a bird is indeed cruel.
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Old 10-02-2013, 08:58 AM
 
Location: Ocala, FL
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I never implied cats and dogs should be kept indoors 24/7.

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Old 10-02-2013, 11:12 PM
 
Location: Central Bay Area, CA as of Jan 2010...but still a proud Texan from Houston!
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I never implied cats and dogs should be kept indoors 24/7.

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Never claimed you did
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Old 10-05-2013, 07:37 AM
 
Location: Upstate NY 🇺🇸
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I will succinctly say that, unlike Maya Angelou, I don't know why the caged bird sings.
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Old 03-18-2014, 11:02 AM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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Do you think keep pet birds in cages is cruel?

I think the greatest thing about being a bird is the ability to fly - to soar above the skies, a freedom that other creatures can only envy. So to confine a bird to a cage where it can barely fly at all is, I think, kind of cruel.

Some may think I'm a hypocrite because I'm an aquarist, but I think the two are fundamentally different. For a start, fish still get to swim in tanks, while birds hardly get to even fly at all in cages, unless you have a very large aviary. Also, most fish are pretty small relative to the size of their tanks. I also consider keeping goldfish in bowls or bettas in tiny containers equally cruel.

Ideally, bird owners would allow their birds to 'roam free' for at least an hour every day - although that is obviously problematic. I'm not crusading against bird-keeping as a hobby, although I personally feel keeping birds in cages is denying them an inborn right.
I totally agree, unfortunately it is very common in southern Europe, where people have little consideration for animal needs.
I am seldom on the pet forum but came here today as I was watching and listening to two birds locked in a cage which has been put on the balcony of a house across the street, which is almost like teasing them: they are surrounded by open air, but behind bars
I have no idea what kind of birds they are, they are small, gray, and they sound like toys, or animation figures, or even human babies sometimes, which is why I noticed them in the first place, they don't sound like other birds here. I've recorded them
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