Birmingham Census 2020 Results (Huntsville, Tuscaloosa, Hoover: apartment, schools, tax)

[mcalumni01]

Behind the scenes.

[TimCity2000]

Originally Posted by GotLuv4Bham

Randall Woodfin should officially challenge the 2020 numbers, because I believe they are wayyyyyy off!

serious question: what is this based on? i'd love for you to be right, but i want to hear your case.

admittedly, i probably only see or drive through 8-10 neighborhoods on any regular basis. and yes, they all seem to be growing (crestwood, avondale, five points / southside, downtown, even woodlawn). but is the same true of the other 90 or so neighborhoods? i'm genuinely curious because i simply don't ever see them. the link with the various census tracts indicates there are only a handful of neighborhoods that are truly growing.

i will say that i did expect that all the growth downtown and in parkside would offset some of the losses elsewhere, so the 11,000+ drop did seem steep. but i don't have my eyes on all parts of the city to truly conduct an "eye test" of these other neighborhoods.

[mcalumni01]

Just look at yesterday election turnout of 26%. Just under 37K voted. So can you imagine a census count of people particpating. Even with that map showing no growth in many neighborhoods, I'm willingly to bet a good amount didn't response. Did Birmingham lose some people. Of course. But 11K..humm. Every estimate leading up to 2020 had a loss maybe between 2-5K, nothing was estimated at 11K. But what's done is done.

[GotLuv4Bham]

Originally Posted by TimCity2000

serious question: what is this based on? i'd love for you to be right, but i want to hear your case.

admittedly, i probably only see or drive through 8-10 neighborhoods on any regular basis. and yes, they all seem to be growing (crestwood, avondale, five points / southside, downtown, even woodlawn). but is the same true of the other 90 or so neighborhoods? i'm genuinely curious because i simply don't ever see them. the link with the various census tracts indicates there are only a handful of neighborhoods that are truly growing.

i will say that i did expect that all the growth downtown and in parkside would offset some of the losses elsewhere, so the 11,000+ drop did seem steep. but i don't have my eyes on all parts of the city to truly conduct an "eye test" of these other neighborhoods.

Just plain common sense! Look, I'm not even trying to say that Huntsville hasn't surpassed the city limits of Birmingham. I'm simply saying Birmingham city population is not as low as the census claims. You'd have to be blind to not see the growth in this city! I'm trying not to believe politics played a role in this.

[GotLuv4Bham]

Dude, residential units are going up in this city at a rate not seen in decades! And, from what I'm hearing, most developments are close to if not fully leased. Some areas of the city are definitely losing people. You'd have to be delusional to not recognize that fact, but Downtown, Midtown, Southside, Woodlawn, Avondale, etc are all growing! To lose 11 thousand people with the growth we've witnessed with our own eyes is simply not possible. Like my grandmother says, "something in the buttermilk ain't clean "!

[GotLuv4Bham]

Originally Posted by mcalumni01

Behind the scenes.

Gotcha bro!

[GotLuv4Bham]

Check this out.........
Question? Over the last 10 years, what area of the metro has YOUR eyes shown you to be booming with growth???
Now, the census says Jefferson County grew! Hmmm
It also says Metropolitan Birmingham grew! Wow
But, City of Birmingham lost 11,000 people! Lol!
Listen, all of the major growth we've seen in the past 10 years has been in the city center dude!
I consider myself pretty good at mathematics, but something isn't adding up!

[steveklein]

Originally Posted by GotLuv4Bham

Check this out.........
Question? Over the last 10 years, what area of the metro has YOUR eyes shown you to be booming with growth???
Now, the census says Jefferson County grew! Hmmm
It also says Metropolitan Birmingham grew! Wow
But, City of Birmingham lost 11,000 people! Lol!
Listen, all of the major growth we've seen in the past 10 years has been in the city center dude!
I consider myself pretty good at mathematics, but something isn't adding up!

I added up all the census tracts populations and it, in fact, does add up.

As for what areas have been booming with growth over the last 10 years? Hoover, especially the western side, Trussville, Chelsea and some other areas in Shelby County...

And yeah, that is backed up on the census.

There's not some huge conspiracy against Birmingham. It's not like Census workers know how to estimate no-responses in every place except Birmingham. I'm guessing if some of you cheerleaders left your bubble and explored the other 80-85 neighborhoods of Birmingham, you would see hundreds if not thousands of properties that have have fallen into disrepair and/or abandonment.

[DataExperian]

Originally Posted by steveklein

I added up all the census tracts populations and it, in fact, does add up.

As for what areas have been booming with growth over the last 10 years? Hoover, especially the western side, Trussville, Chelsea and some other areas in Shelby County...

And yeah, that is backed up on the census.

There's not some huge conspiracy against Birmingham. It's not like Census workers know how to estimate no-responses in every place except Birmingham. I'm guessing if some of you cheerleaders left your bubble and explored the other 80-85 neighborhoods of Birmingham, you would see hundreds if not thousands of properties that have have fallen into disrepair and/or abandonment.

Agreed, makes sense. Why is it hard to believe/accept that The City of Birmingham lost 11k ? I mean people are fleeing many other cities in the nation - from CA,NY, IL etc

[bhamblazer]

A good bit of those new apartments in Parkside are focused on UAB students. Do students living in those apartments during the school year get counted in Birmingham's population or are their parents including them in their household wherever the parents live? I bet it's the second one.