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I just tried to do this math and, indeed, cannot make it work. I guess it is possible that some ancestor shows up on both sides of a family tree, but that leads to a whole different set of problems.
Even that wouldn't work, the repeated ancestor would just be counted twice within a multiple of 2. it's not possible to have 3 as a divisor, without some test-tubery going on.
11-11-2009, 01:44 PM
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I just tried to do this math and, indeed, cannot make it work. I guess it is possible that some ancestor shows up on both sides of a family tree, but that leads to a whole different set of problems.
Yes, if I did the math correctly, one CAN be 1/3 (or very close to) German
A B
German % Other Child % German
100.00% 100.00% = 50.00% 50.00% 100.00% 37.50% 37.50% 100.00% 34.38% 34.38% 100.00% 33.60% 33.60% 100.00% 33.40% 33.40% 100.00% 33.35% 33.35% 1 00.00% 33.34%
Formula
Take ((1/2 the % of the part that is German) Plus (1/2 the % that is Other)) and divide by 2 Or ((A/2) + (B/2))/2 and repeat for each generation
I think a lot of people are figuring if one parent is 50 German and the other parent is 100% something different, then the child would be 25% German, which is
not true, for if I'm doing the math right, the child here would be 37.5% German and here is why .
Only 1/2 of the 50% German parent would transfer to the child or 25% and 1/2 of the 100% Other would transfer over to the child, so (25% + 50%) / 2 = 37.5%. Just use this formula for 7 generations, and you have a child that is 33.3375% German.
Someone please correct me if I'm wrong here.
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11-11-2009, 01:53 PM
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Yes, if I did the math correctly, one CAN be 1/3 (or very close to) German
Well, its true, you could approximate 1/3. I don't really follow your math there, given that a half-German parent with a non-German parent does indeed make a 1/4 German child ( i think you forgot about including the half-non German component of the half-German parent or something). but its true if you had 3 great grand grandparents that were German, you would be 3/8, which almost 1/3. 5 great great gparents out of 16 is pretty darn close. 11 great great greats out of 32 even closer, etc...
All of which has nothing to do with Homewood and any other Birmingham suburb. Unless someone learned their math skills there.
11-11-2009, 02:00 PM
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Well, its true, you could approximate 1/3. I don't really follow your math there, given that a half-German parent with a non-German parent does indeed make a 1/4 German child ( i think you forgot about including the half-non German component of the half-German parent or something). but its true if you had 3 great grand grandparents that were German, you would be 3/8, which almost 1/3. 5 great great gparents out of 16 is pretty darn close. 11 great great greats out of 32 even closer, etc...
Question - If you have a parent that was 50% German, why would you use the full 50% in your equation, yet only use half the amount of the parent that was 100% something else? Why would it not be
((50%/2) + (100%/2))/2 = 37.50% ?
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Question - If you have a parent that was 50% German, why would you use the full 50% in your equation, yet only use half the amount of the parent that was 100% something else? Why would it not be
i don't really get that, but let's do this.
lets figure out the proportion of non-German first:
the half German parent passes down half of the 50% non-German and the fully non-German parent passes down half of the 100% non-German stock, so
50/2 + 100/2 =25+50 = 75% non-German
now for the German part:
the half German parent passes down half of the 50% German and the fully non-German parent passes down no German stock, so
50/2 + 0/2 = 25 + 0 =25% German
The 75% plus 25%=100% yay!
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11-11-2009, 02:58 PM
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i don't really get that, but let's do this.
I know we are way way off subject here, but....
But your formula is flawed. you have : 50/2 + 100/2 =25+50 = 75% non-German
You forgot to devide by 2
With your formila this would also be true and we know it is not:
If we had a 100% German and 100% Other
100/2 + 100/2 = 100% of what???? this is why you need to devide the answer of (100/2) + (100/2) by 2 again to come up with 50% German and 50% Other
((100%/2) + 100%/2))/2 = 50% of either German or other
So, I'm not saying I'm correct here, but I stand by my formula of
((50% German/2) + (100% Other/2)) /2 = 37.50 German and 62.50 % Other
Lets see what others have to say
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I'm betting the OP is wondering what the hell happened to her thread. And once someone is seven generations removed from Der Vaterland, it's rather dumb to pronounce oneself German, don't you think? Heck, I'm 50% German from two generations back and I consider myself Welsh more than anything.
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He's gonna be in a real lonely club if he's invading in the name of 1/3 Germans
Maybe there's a woman in Irondale who's 2/3rds German and he's trying to achieve
Anschluss , if you get my drift.
11-11-2009, 06:28 PM
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Maybe there's a woman in Irondale who's 2/3rds German and he's trying to achieve Anschluss , if you get my drift.
Dirty Nazi talk... hate to see what the morning after looks like...
11-11-2009, 06:37 PM
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OK, I see the error of my ways
The formula should be
(Mom is 50% German) + (Dad is
0 % German) / 2 = 25%
But hey, it sure looked good the other way
Although it IS possable to be 11/32 german which is 34% ~ Close enough to call one self 1/3 German
Sorry for my bad logic here
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People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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